Trailer for a MF 165?

[FenderBender711]

My father-in-law just picked my up a Massey 165 at auction recently and I need to go pick it up and have implements to carry back as well. I am trying to get an idea of what is the ideal size trailer for this tractor with at least one implement attached.

I will we using a 2007 Tundra 5.7 4 x 4 V-8 with 10,600 towing capacity. Thanks!!

 

[flusher]

My father-in-law just picked my up a Massey 165 at auction recently and I need to go pick it up and have implements to carry back as well. I am trying to get an idea of what is the ideal size trailer for this tractor with at least one implement attached.

I will we using a 2007 Tundra 5.7 4 x 4 V-8 with 10,600 towing capacity. Thanks!!

Figure the tractor weighs 5000-6000 lb. So a 2-axle equipment hauler, 10K GVWR, electric brakes on one axle (on both is better). I'd avoid trailers with surge brakes for this heavy load. Trailer length: 16 ft should be enough. Get one with pull out ramps rather than a beavertail. To be safe, back the tractor onto the trailer. Use ratchet type chain binders, one for each of the 4 corners of the tractor.

You need to measure the track widths on the front and rear wheels. The standard 165 model made in the USA can have front track setting ranging from 48-88 inches wide depending on how the wheels are oriented (dished in, dished out). The rear track setting ranges from 52-90 inches wide. You'll have to find a trailer wide enough to handle the track width on that 165 or flip the wheels around if the track is too wide for the trailer.

 

[Farmwithjunk]

I'll start with a question. Does the 165 have fluid in the rear tires? If so, you may be looking at weight in excess of 6000lbs. Add for implement(s). Also consider weight of TRAILER. You're gonna be near your towing capacity. With implement, you'll need enough length to position tractor/implement where weight is distributed correctly on truck and trailer. Too short and you'll end up with most of the tractors weight on the back bumper of the truck. You need to carry the bulk of the weight on the trailer. I'd suggest a trailer AT LEAST 18' long (deck) with a bit of the deck behind the trailer axles. Also, I don't like loading trailers (or trucks either for that matter) right up to their maximum capacity. I prefer a margin of saftey. All MAY be ok until you get into a panic situation or encounter bad road conditions, ect (ie a big chuck hole...) I'd feel better with a 12,000GVWR trailer. Figure a typical 12,000 GVW trailer to weigh 2500 to 3000lbs (at a minimum) Tractor (estimate) @ 6000lbs, and 1000lbs for implement, chains, ect. That can put you right at 10,000lbs total weight.

 

[LBrown59]

I will we using a 2007 Tundra 5.7 4 x 4 V-8 with 10,600 towing capacity. Thanks!!

This is not enough truck for that.
I need more/bigger truck than that for towing my BX23.

 

[FenderBender711]

Thanks guys. Yeah, I know I am close to maxxing out my truck's capabilities, but I don't have much of an alternative outisde of paying for transport I guess.

I was thinking 18' the whole time, but hoping to get by with 16'. I googled a lot and searched forums before asking and found little discussion on this topic. Another alternative is to just pick up the tractor and leave the implements behind for a second trip or maybe have my father-in-law haul them separately and follow me.

I am not sure about fluid in the wheels. I'll find out. I have assisted my father-in-law on his farm in the past, but have very little experience otherwise with tractors. I hope to close on 25 acres here in the near future and my father-in-law happened upon this 165 for $3000 at the auction...Since then he has been approached a few times by people wnating to buy...1966, multipower, diesel, power steering. Looks to be in good shape...will try it out in the field soon.

I'll be reading as much as I can on the forum to learn about what I have.

I just got the measurements...7' x 10'

 

[Farmwithjunk]

One alternative when balancing a load. Put the implement on FIRST, near the front of the trailer, then load the heavier tractor so the bulk of the weight is over the trailer axles. You DON'T want to load the trailer with too much weight BEHIND the trailer axles. (So as to make the tongue weight too light or non-existant)

On a one-time haul, you should have (marginally) enough truck. If I was going to be hauling on a routine basis, I'd want a heavier truck without a doubt. I had a Tundra (2000 model, traded in 2003) I pulled a 16' 2-axle 10,000 trailer with a 7700 lb tractor loaded over a 225 mile hwy trip. Sure wouldn't recommend it to anyone, but the truck survived and so did I.

Take a look at the cost of renting a trailer and stack that against the cost of hiring a wrecker service with a rollback. I've had several tractors hauled that way. The cost was reasonable and they take ALL the risk.

 

[FenderBender711]

One alternative when balancing a load. Put the implement on FIRST, near the front of the trailer, then load the heavier tractor so the bulk of the weight is over the trailer axles. You DON'T want to load the trailer with too much weight BEHIND the trailer axles. (So as to make the tongue weight too light or non-existant)

On a one-time haul, you should have (marginally) enough truck. If I was going to be hauling on a routine basis, I'd want a heavier truck without a doubt. I had a Tundra (2000 model, traded in 2003) I pulled a 16' 2-axle 10,000 trailer with a 7700 lb tractor loaded over a 225 mile hwy trip. Sure wouldn't recommend it to anyone, but the truck survived and so did I.

Take a look at the cost of renting a trailer and stack that against the cost of hiring a wrecker service with a rollback. I've had several tractors hauled that way. The cost was reasonable and they take ALL the risk.

Good advice. I am looking into that as well, but if I happen upon a deal on a trailer, then I'll go that route for sure. It is around 350 miles. The new Tundra have 381 HP. I agree that one trip is all I'd want to do. Once I get it here, hauling will be less than 10 miles, maybe less than 5 on a regular basis.

 

[George2615]

One thing no one has asked yet is how many implements you are getting with this tractor. You said one implement attached. Extra implements will all take up some trailer space unless you are willing to load some in the pickup box. You may need a larger trailer for multiple implements. I do agree that for a one time haul your truck will handle it, just drive slower and leave greater space in front of you.

 

[FenderBender711]

One thing no one has asked yet is how many implements you are getting with this tractor. You said one implement attached. Extra implements will all take up some trailer space unless you are willing to load some in the pickup box. You may need a larger trailer for multiple implements. I do agree that for a one time haul your truck will handle it, just drive slower and leave greater space in front of you.

Thanks...That's a good question...My father in law is giving me some of his...retired farmer...Not real sure what he is giving me and I think he wants it to be gift/surprise. I think it may be a tiller and a set of discs. A mower would be great, but now I am dreaming. I can always go back for them If I don't have room.

My main goal is to get at least one back with the tractor.

If I go get it, I will be the slowest guy on the interstate...That's for sure.

 

[LBrown59]

Good advice. I am looking into that as well, but if I happen upon a deal on a trailer, then I'll go that route for sure. It is around 350 miles.
*The new Tundras have 381 HP.
I agree that one trip is all I'd want to do. Once I get it here, hauling will be less than 10 miles, maybe less than 5 on a regular basis.

I'm looking for a Truck and trailer combo to transport my little old BX23 with.
I need at least a 3/4 or 1 ton pick up for that and the BX23 only weighs 2467 pounds.
I might be wrong but I bet Your MF is bigger and heavier than my BX23.
*It's not the Hp that counts===it's the stopping power and stability that matters.

 

[Farmwithjunk]

I'm looking for a Truck and trailer combo to transport my little old BX23 with.
I need at least a 3/4 or 1 ton pick up for that and the BX23 only weighs 2467 pounds.
I might be wrong but I bet Your MF is bigger and heavier than my BX23.
*It's not the Hp that counts===it's the stopping power and stability that matters.

Not sure where you get your info at, but you need to question just about everything you THINK you know. Unless you plan on hauling that little toy of a tractor on a trailer that weighs more than 7500lbs empty, your estimates of how much truck you have to have are WAAAAAAY off. The OP could put your tractor IN THE BED of his Toyota and haul it! That truck wouldn't have a tow rating over 10,000lbs if it wasn't capable of stopping a trailer (equipped with brakes) weighing that much.

Needing a one ton truck to trailer a 2467 lb tractor! I'm assuming you're joking, right? Otherwise, this might be the most preposterous thing you've posted on TBN to date.

 

[George2615]

I think LB is getting confused from his other posts for a truck and trailer. He needs a 3/4 to 1T truck because he wants to haul between 3-4K in the pickup bed. He only needs a 7K trailer for his BX23 which any 1/2T would pull.

 

[Farmwithjunk]

I think LB is getting confused from his other posts for a truck and trailer. He needs a 3/4 to 1T truck because he wants to haul between 3-4K in the pickup bed. He only needs a 7K trailer for his BX23 which any 1/2T would pull.

I'll go along with the confused part.......

A 1/2T could still EASILY pull a 10,000 or 12,000 GVWR trailer that's not loaded to that point. My 14,000lb GVWR bumper pull weighs around 2600lbs empty. A 2500lb tractor on that trailer would still be far below the max tow weight rating of most 1/2T's.

In my business, we routinely pull loaded trailers in excess of 11,000 gross behind a pair of Dodge 3/4 tons all the while staying "legal". Ordinarily, those loads will be on a 14,000GVWR gooseneck. Ordinarily when I use the 14,000 GVWR bumper pull, it'll be loaded to a gross weight of approx. 8500lbs. I'm subject to DOT/Commercial Vehicle Enforcment Division (of Kentucky State Police) inspection. We can count on being scaled at a roadside inspection AT LEAST once or twice a year. So far, never any issues with weight or load ratings.

 

[JohnDeere4300]

I'll go along with the confused part.......

A 1/2T could still EASILY pull a 10,000 or 12,000 GVWR trailer that's not loaded to that point. My 14,000lb GVWR bumper pull weighs around 2600lbs empty. A 2500lb tractor on that trailer would still be far below the max tow weight rating of most 1/2T's.

In my business, we routinely pull loaded trailers in excess of 11,000 gross behind a pair of Dodge 3/4 tons all the while staying "legal". Ordinarily, those loads will be on a 14,000GVWR gooseneck. Ordinarily when I use the 14,000 GVWR bumper pull, it'll be loaded to a gross weight of approx. 8500lbs. I'm subject to DOT/Commercial Vehicle Enforcment Division (of Kentucky State Police) inspection. We can count on being scaled at a roadside inspection AT LEAST once or twice a year. So far, never any issues with weight or load ratings.

And in KY i believe the Vehicle Enforcement is the worse ones.

 

[LBrown59]

your estimates of how much truck you have to have are WAAAAAAY off.
1*The OP could put your tractor IN THE BED of his Toyota and haul it!
2*That truck wouldn't have a tow rating over 10,000lbs if it wasn't capable of stopping a trailer (equipped with brakes) weighing that much.
~~Needing a one ton truck to trailer a 2467 lb tractor!
3*I'm assuming you're joking, right?

1*But could he haul 3 or 4 thousand pounds of dirt/gravel in his Toyota with or without the trailer hooked up to the truck?
2*Good point.
3*I might be if I didn't need to haul 3 or 4 thousand pounds in the bed of the truck.
This is what I'm looking at for my situation.

I think LB is getting
4* He needs a 3/4 to 1T truck because he wants to haul between 3-4K in the pickup bed.
5*He only needs a 7K trailer for his BX23 which any 1/2T would pull.

4* and 5* Rite but I figure if I concentrate on the hauling side of the truck equation the towing part will take care of it's self.

6*A 1/2T could still EASILY pull a 10,000 or 12,000 GVWR trailer that's not loaded to that point. My 14,000lb GVWR bumper pull weighs around 2600lbs empty.
7* A 2500lb tractor on that trailer would still be far below the max tow weight rating of most 1/2T's.

6-7*But a 3 or 4 thousand pound load in that 1/2 ton would overload it would it not?
Yes I did confuse the hauling factor for my needs when I made my previous replies.

 

[JohnDeere4300]

My father-in-law just picked my up a Massey 165 at auction recently and I need to go pick it up and have implements to carry back as well. I am trying to get an idea of what is the ideal size trailer for this tractor with at least one implement attached.

I will we using a 2007 Tundra 5.7 4 x 4 V-8 with 10,600 towing capacity. Thanks!!

Welcome to TBN!

(IMHO)

I believe a 18ft. trailer would be good for you, that would allow you some room when you have a bush hog or other attachment on. You have the truck that would pull it just fine.

Another thing would be, to have brakes on both axles. If brakes are on one axle and you use them a lot, they will heat up more.

And a weight distribution hitch helps very well, i use one every time i pull a trailer.
If you would like to see pictures of the kind i use, then just ask.

 

[FenderBender711]

Yeah, I am not looking at payload, just towing capability and again, when I bought the truck I specifically got this one as at the time because of it's towing ability in a 1/2 ton truck...large brakes (13.9" & 13.6" rotors), strong engine (400lbs of torque), Nice gear ratio (4.3) and a heavy truck with what appears to be a nice towing package. I have read 10,300 and 10,600 on various papers on what it would tow...either way, plan to stay under the 10K.

I can work the math, I just have no experience trailering a load like this....already have the Owner's Manual out on the truck to make sure I follow safe practices, etc. I figured most of you guys could help me on the length of trailer since you have probably moved yours around a little.

I think the suggestion of 18' is right. That gives me a little room to play with regarding moving the trailer around. I found a 21' trailer local for a great price, but I think it may be a bit much....I also have found a 16' trailer, but wrong GVWR and I could be cutting it too close.

 

[JohnDeere4300]

Yeah, I am not looking at payload, just towing capability and again, when I bought the truck I specifically got this one as at the time because of it's towing ability in a 1/2 ton truck...large brakes (13.9" & 13.6" rotors), strong engine (400lbs of torque), Nice gear ratio (4.3) and a heavy truck with what appears to be a nice towing package. I have read 10,300 and 10,600 on various papers on what it would tow...either way, plan to stay under the 10K.

I can work the math, I just have no experience trailering a load like this....already have the Owner's Manual out on the truck to make sure I follow safe practices, etc. I figured most of you guys could help me on the length of trailer since you have probably moved yours around a little.

I think the suggestion of 18' is right. That gives me a little room to play with regarding moving the trailer around. I found a 21' trailer local for a great price, but I think it may be a bit much....I also have found a 16' trailer, but wrong GVWR and I could be cutting it too close.

If you have never towed before, then a 18ft. would be just fine.
The truck you have is just fine, i have a lot of friends that have a tundra and they pull campers, tractors etc... ( Do you have a brake controller in your truck ? )

Since you have never towed a trailer before, i believe a weight distribution hitch with sway control will be best.

 

[George2615]

If you found a 21' at a great price I'd go for it. It may take a while to get used to it but you'll be happy to have that extra length when you do need it for some other hauling job.

 

[Farmwithjunk]

1*But could he haul 3 or 4 thousand pounds of dirt/gravel in his Toyota with or without the trailer hooked up to the truck?
2*Good point.
3*I might be if I didn't need to haul 3 or 4 thousand pounds in the bed of the truck.
This is what I'm looking at for my situation.

4* and 5* Rite but I figure if I concentrate on the hauling side of the truck equation the towing part will take care of it's self.

6-7*But a 3 or 4 thousand pound load in that 1/2 ton would overload it would it not?
Yes I did confuse the hauling factor for my needs when I made my previous replies.

OP has no stated plans on hauling 3 or 4 thousand pounds of gravel while moving his tractor so your assumption is unwarranted as far as this thread is concerned.

Apparently you ARE confused as to which thread you're posting to. Or simply confused......