Trap and release Raccoons

[Sawyer Rob]

There are lots of starving people and we have the ability to help each other. Animals do not. So that analogy supports MY point, not yours.

How do you expect wolves to take down a cow moose? Should they stick a knife in the mooses head? As far as overkill, maybe some young wolves but I bet the pack in nature would feed off of the kill for days. Humans just kill to kill and use torture. My point supported again.

Your points are not valid. Humans are far more brutal than animals. Senseless killings by humans for no good reason happen every day.

I can see YOU know very little about nature and it's predators...especially how wolves work!

There's no sense trying to tell/educate someone (read you) who knows so little about the subject, and what they do know, they learned from watching Nat Geo or some other TV program...

I lived out in the bush for many years, so don't waste your and my time trying to tell me how wolves and other predators work in REAL life...

For those here that don't know it, wolves kill to kill! They do NOT eat everything they kill and they do NOT just kill the weak or sick... Anyone who lived in the bush around these animals know this!

Of course, you can't tell a sno-flake that though... lol

Mother nature is a cruelbitch!

SR

 

[the old grind]

Rob, we kinda have to indulge the staunchest vegans, and what hypocrites they'd be if they ate beef at the human side of the food chain ...

It's just a human fault when what one sees out their window is what they think the whole world is like. Wanting to change it is what causes wars, not protecting our crops or property.

Some just don't seem to make a distinction between self preservation and random slaughter. I bet they live in cozy vs wild neighborhoods.

btw, I might have got a few points for the feral cats I've eliminated, but now I wonder if I should 'meddle with nature'. It was our forbears that brought 'em here and not my own doing. That we haven't returned the land to indigenous people isn't because of me, either. Save the birds! They're not as tough as 'coons.
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[EddieWalker]

You guys saying this need to study the human race and associated wars and atrocities.

Picking out the worse in human behavior does not equate with the daily struggle of life in mother nature. Instead of focusing on the extreme, learn about the absolute indifference to pain and suffering that happens every day, with 100% of the predators out there. I've watched a bobcat play with and torture a rabbit, I've had coyotes kill a dozen ducks and not eat a single one of them, I've had cats that where torn open with their guts hanging out by racoons, and seen an eye hanging out of it's skull. My own dogs will play with anything that gets into their yard until it's dead, they tear it apart and leave it lay once they get bored with it. I know of mountain lions in CA that killed dozens of sheep without eating any of them, and cheetah in Namibia on a friends farm that did the same with his goats. This in normal behavior for them, and it's nothing compared to the suffering that happens when tens of thousands of animals starve to death to deal with over population.

The vast majority of humans are good people that work very hard to help out other people and the world around them. They sacrifice for others, they have empathy for others and they have love for others. Nature does not do this.

 

[Paddy]

I don't have the time to keep setting traps every night. Killing them or not. If I bait/set the trap during the day, just squirrels get caught. I'm sure not going to hang out all night and wait for them to come.

We have a large bird feeder and can fill it once a week. All winter we had no visitors of the coon type until a few days ago. So I guess they are waking up and ready to feed. DNR says when the 'coons start visiting, only put bird food out they eat during the day. This takes away the food supply, 'coons lose interest.

The peach trees are a different story. I'll have to put a sparky fence up for both the deer and the 'coons. Problem is 'coons at night, and deer day and night! deer are likely want to eat even green peaches, but 'coons prefer to eat them 1 or 2 days before you "would have harvested them".

I'm new to electric fences

 

[/pine]

I do not profess to know why but most humans try to relate rational to the animal kingdom...it just doesn't happen...
Because of the lack of the power of reason mother nature is much kinder to the animal world than it is to humans.
Wild animals that are attacked by predators immediately go into shock they do not have rational to resist it like humans and some domesticated animals that interact with human companions etc...
The wild animal kingdom is not susceptible to ontological despair...

 

[teejk]

I do not profess to know why but most humans try to relate rational to the animal kingdom...it just doesn't happen...
Because of the lack of the power of reason mother nature is much kinder to the animal world than it is to humans.
Wild animals that are attacked by predators immediately go into shock they do not have rational to resist it like humans and some domesticated animals that interact with human companions etc...
The wild animal kingdom is not susceptible to ontological despair...

I don't quite agree with your premise (I encounter wolf killed deer around here and in the snow it is easy to re-enact the kill from the point of initial contact to the spot where the hind quarters are missing on the animal sometimes a half mile away...judging from the path I doubt the deer had any "happy thoughts" and probably was wishing for a safe-space). But if you are correct, you might be describing Darwin's theories about evolution.

 

[EddieWalker]

Wild animals that are attacked by predators immediately go into shock they do not have rational to resist it like humans and some domesticated animals that interact with human companions etc...

This sounds like a disney movie. I guess you have never heard a rabbit, squirrel or even a fawn screaming as it's being eaten alive?

 

[teejk]

This sounds like a disney movie. I guess you have never heard a rabbit, squirrel or even a fawn screaming as it's being eaten alive?

Anybody hunting coyotes (or wolves if we ever get it out of court again) will know that the calling sounds are all of animals in distress. They do not go quietly.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

Those are all "happy sounds", inviting all the predators to the party!! (dinner)

SR

 

[oosik]

A little later in the year - I occasionally hear a sound, at night, that would raise the hair on your bowling ball. Its the screaming of a new born calf. Its been drug out of the neighbors calving pens - being drug out into the bushes - killed and eaten by local coyotes.

Its a sound you can never forget - especially when you know what is happening. About twenty five years ago my neighbor-to the south-explained the sound to me. And then I understood his feelings towards coyotes.