Traveller Universal Tractor/Hydraulic Fluid

[w1ebb]

I never would have thought that there would have been "fiber lined anything" in a manual transmission. Thank you! You have already provided me with my "learned something new today" thing, and its still early!

Good fortune!

Scott

 

[ray66v]

I do not know why you experienced that w1ebb. As suggested, there are other factors. If you put Justice brothers Gear Oil Treatment, in a manual transmission, it will shift like a dream. And, that's all additives.

I am telling you with certainty, they are all basically the same viscosity.

If you are really interested in knowing, you can find information on the web, that will tell you that. As well as, doing a pour test. Or, do an actual viscosity test yourself. Which is very simple to do. All you need is a cup, or can, with a hole in it. and a stop watch. Or, make two, and do a side by side test.

A TBN member once challenged this, with two plastic pop bottles. A hole was drilled in both of the caps. And, after putting the same amount of oil in each, they were attached to a board, and inverted. They will both empty are a similar rate, if the fluids are similar in viscosity.

This is one of those things almost everyone has wrong, and most people have a hard time accepting. I won't argue it to perpetuity, if people refuse to accept it.

 

[w1ebb]

Hi Ray66v. We are on the same page then. Oil is not oil, because of things such as pariffin content, etc of oil from different regions and the addition of additives packages at the blender's facilities. These factors shape and create the lubricity, shear factor, heat shedding qualities, soot and other pollutant retention qualities, etc ad nauseum of the oil in question.
The deal with the hard to shift transmission was that the synchronizers were fiber lined and needed the lubricating qualities found in ATF, as was explained by another gentleman in this thread.

Oil is not oil.

Good fortune!

Scott

 

[scottyboy]

Hi Ray66v. We are on the same page then. Oil is not oil, because of things such as pariffin content, etc of oil from different regions and the addition of additives packages at the blender's facilities. These factors shape and create the lubricity, shear factor, heat shedding qualities, soot and other pollutant retention qualities, etc ad nauseum of the oil in question.
The deal with the hard to shift transmission was that the synchronizers were fiber lined and needed the lubricating qualities found in ATF, as was explained by another gentleman in this thread.

Oil is not oil.

Good fortune!

Scott

Oils bought at reputable stores (TSC, autozone, oReilly, etc) will have a technical specification to which it must adhere. If a certain hydraulic fluid says it meets or exceeds a branded fluid such as Permatran, then why worry?

 

[Hitechredneck1]

I never expected so many replies to my post. I waited and purchased the hydraulic fluid from the dealer. As for the comment concerning crew chiefs being trained monkeys, that is true in some cases, but not in mine. I was a Master Crew Chief on 3 air frames (F-4, F-15, and F-16) Not to mention that I was also qualified as an engine and hydraulic specialist on all three. I was also a Master Instructor on all three air frames teaching advanced troubleshooting and maintenance on all three. I was able to gain this knowledge because of a program in the USAF called rivet workforce. It was used to train engine, hydraulic, and crew chiefs into one career field. I was also train in aircraft accident investigation, and as an aircraft battle damage repair evaluator/technician I am also an ASE certified auto mechanic, and a Pennsylvania State certified inspection and emissions mechanic. My love of being a mechanic had to come to an end since I am a disabled veteran. I went back to college and got an undergraduate degree in accounting and a graduate degree in computers since I am no longer able to physically do the work of a mechanic.

I didnt want to mix fluids mainly because I was concerned about any warranty issues. I know I am a little crazy when it comes to fluids, and such but I take great care of what I spend my hard earned money on. Thanks for all of your opinions. There seems to be a lot of knowledgeable people that frequent this forum.

 

[AxleHub]

There seems to be a lot of knowledgeable people that frequent this forum.

Judging by your training and experience, I think it was a pretty safe bet that you fit that same description too

 

[ray66v]

I never expected so many replies to my post. I waited and purchased the hydraulic fluid from the dealer. As for the comment concerning crew chiefs being trained monkeys, that is true in some cases, but not in mine. I was a Master Crew Chief on 3 air frames (F-4, F-15, and F-16) Not to mention that I was also qualified as an engine and hydraulic specialist on all three. I was also a Master Instructor on all three air frames teaching advanced troubleshooting and maintenance on all three. I was able to gain this knowledge because of a program in the USAF called rivet workforce. It was used to train engine, hydraulic, and crew chiefs into one career field. I am also an ASE certified auto mechanic, and a Pennsylvania State certified inspection and emissions mechanic.

I didnt want to mix fluids mainly because I was concerned about any warranty issues. I know I am a little crazy when it comes to fluids, and such but I take great care of what I spend my hard earned money on. Thanks for all of your opinions. There seems to be a lot of knowledgeable people that frequent this forum.

Thanks for your service.

Fear of the "warranty reaper" is a rampant concern among tractor owners. Not sure what causes it. You would think there were threads everywhere, telling horror stories about how someones engine or transmission failed under warranty, and the claim was rejected over their choice of oil.

The opposite is actually true. Rest assured, no one has EVER posted a thread on TBN, that I know of, where the manufacturer rejected a warranty claim, due to use of a different brand, or type of fluid, be it proper, or improper. I may have missed it, but I assure you there are not many.

In my entire life servicing vehicles, I have never had a request for an oil sample from a manufacturer, or insurance company due to any claim.

Engine and transmission failures under warranty are extremely rare today, and always due to a serious defect. Something is going to literally snap. Oil is not going to cause that to happen, during a warranty period.

The chances are, the manufacturer will already know about the defect, before you have a claim. Because, serious defects are not usually one offs, and others will probably have preceded yours.

Finally, if the product you use, meets the specifications in the manual, by law, they can't deny your claim. And, they would be crazy to even try, because in 30 minutes, it would be all over the internet.

 

[JWR]

Ray66V -- Amen brother ! Well said.

 

[TSO]

I never expected so many replies to my post. I waited and purchased the hydraulic fluid from the dealer. As for the comment concerning crew chiefs being trained monkeys, that is true in some cases, but not in mine. I was a Master Crew Chief on 3 air frames (F-4, F-15, and F-16) Not to mention that I was also qualified as an engine and hydraulic specialist on all three. I was also a Master Instructor on all three air frames teaching advanced troubleshooting and maintenance on all three. I was able to gain this knowledge because of a program in the USAF called rivet workforce. It was used to train engine, hydraulic, and crew chiefs into one career field. I was also train in aircraft accident investigation, and as an aircraft battle damage repair evaluator/technician I am also an ASE certified auto mechanic, and a Pennsylvania State certified inspection and emissions mechanic. My love of being a mechanic had to come to an end since I am a disabled veteran. I went back to college and got an undergraduate degree in accounting and a graduate degree in computers since I am no longer able to physically do the work of a mechanic.

I didnt want to mix fluids mainly because I was concerned about any warranty issues. I know I am a little crazy when it comes to fluids, and such but I take great care of what I spend my hard earned money on. Thanks for all of your opinions. There seems to be a lot of knowledgeable people that frequent this forum.

I definitely appreciate your expertise and experience ... But one wonders, with all that experience and credentials, why the question ever even came up.

 

[Hitechredneck1]

TSO, the question came up because if you have ever been involved in an aircraft incident in the USAF, you would have seen the blame is always put on the mechanic first. I have been on the receiving end of the investigation, and it's not that much fun. That is also why I said I get uneasy, don't just didn't go into detail. Not to mention, I already admitted I am **** about equipment I buy. Here is an example, after every use of the tractor, I clean it, and lube it. Not to mention, I do the inspection in the manual that is recommended prior to use. In my vehicles, I do all routine maintenance at the recommended mileage. For example, at 60,000 miles the timing belt is changed, and while I am in there I change the tensioner, any pulleys and water pump.

My dodge truck has close to 200,000 miles on it and I was going to be hauling a very heavy load. I was concerned about the tranny. Had a buddy that owns a tranny shop look at it, and he said minimal wear. Changed the fluid and filters and said it was good to go. He knew I change the fluid and filters every 36000 miles. I use a high grade synthetic fluid, because I use the truck as a truck. It hauls in close to 6 cords of wood a year, plus other items.

Some my say I am over cautious, maybe crazy, but very few times have I every been broke down and need towed in. But like I said before after 24 years in the USAF, and seeing things, you tend to be cautious. I hope I have made things clear, why I asked the question. I may have a ton of experience on aircraft and vehicles, but I don't know much about tractors. Hence, I joined this site the day I bought it. I love to learn, and this place seemed to have many people that had knowledge.