Backhoe Trench Master Backhoe.

[wedge40]

Has anybody heard of these. I'm guessing they are from china, but just a guess. I just purchased a small 6' version.. The model number is TM-6. Just wanting to know if I need to find a good person to keep on hand to weld it when it breaks.

 

[Tororider]

How much did you pay for it? Often times, not always, there is an inverse relationship between how much you pay up front, and how much you pay in maintenance. Like I said not always, but I am just curious.

 

[shvl73]

It sure looks like one of the chinese hoes, re-named. You could try posting in the chinese forum to see what people know about them.

 

[hbaird]

It does not look like the LW-6 Chinese Backhoe. If is Chinese, I would expect more hydraulic problems than metal breaking. That said, I would like to hear your opinion when you get it. I don't see why a backhoe is more expensive than a good FEL when made in the U.S.A. by the same company. China imports may well bring the domestic prices down.
Harold

 

[BTI]

hbaird said "I don't see why a backhoe is more expensive than a good FEL when made in the U.S.A. by the same company."

The long and short is ALOT more hydraulics.

For hydraulics a loader has: 4 cylinders and a 2 spool valve.
For hydraulics a backhoe has : 7 cylinders and a 6 spool valve
Alot more hoses.
That and the fact they can't get the volume of backhoes as they do loaders.
When you think about it, they aren't a bad deal.

BTI

 

[hbaird]

I 'm not wanting to hijack the original post, but. A Metkit FEL kit for my tractor is about the same price as the Koyker FEL I bought instead. The Metkit backhoe is about the same price as the FEL. A Koyker backhoe is about 40% more from the same dealer on a pretty much similar hoe.
Harold

 

[MJPetersen]

Wedge,

Welcome to TBN. I am sure that you will enjoy and learn lots in the pages of this forum.

The hoe that you ordered has some points that look like the chinese, but most do not. Your hoes has a much more refined and clean strengthening plates and welding. I have heard that the main weakness of the Chinese hoes is the hydraulics especially the valves. I look forward to pics and a testimonial when you get it.

Mike

 

[shvl73]

It does not look like the LW-6 Chinese Backhoe.

I think its so close, it may be the same.

 

[MJPetersen]

I think its so close, it may be the same.

The major differences that I saw were in the boom construction. The strengthening plates were larger and more stylishly cut. The bucket looked very similar, but the pivot post looked a bit different. The 3pt attach and controls looked similar but the attach for the outriggers appeared different. Maybe it is like the Jimna chippers--made by a bunch of different companies with their own twists to different elements. Some are "upgraded" with new design elements, demanded by an importer or as an improvement to the basic design. Maybe they upgraded the hyd too.

Wedge, please do report back your findings.

Mike

 

[shvl73]

MJ,
You may be right. The Chinese do seem to make similar products in many factories.
You & Harold have a better eye for details than I do! Those may be needed upgrades as there were some issues. I too would like to hear how it works out.

 

[BTI]

Don't you have to build the Metkits?
They give you the plans and such, you put it together.

BTI

 

[wedge40]

I think its so close, it may be the same.

Which bh is yours? The first one off the tractor or the second one.
I just picked the unit up today and it may be a while before I can give any opinion. It's Lime Green and I'm going to see if I can have a friend paint it Ford Blue before I put it together. And yes it is Chinese. I'm wondering if I should test the paint for lead.

If the hydraulics is the problem, could I just slowly replace the cylinders over time, as well has the controls. Especially if I wanted to give it a little exrta umph.

Wedge

 

[shvl73]

Which bh is yours?

Mine is a LITW hoe from S. Korea, its a nice unit.

I'm wondering if I should test the paint for lead.

I wouldn't lick the paint!

 

[wedge40]

Mine is a LITW hoe from S. Korea, its a nice unit.


I wouldn't lick the paint!

Do you have any better photos of yours?

I've gotten it unpacked enough to get to the box of parts and pulled out the manual. According to the manual it will dig about 5.55 ft. (1.85m). There isn't much in the manual and the parts list is wrong. I may grab the camera and take a few photos to post later. Be for warned though the color might make some people sick.
Oh I purchased the unit off ebay for $2100. Even if I have to do some work with the hydraulics I'm still better off. I had my eye on a koyker KB75, but the last time I checked it was about $8000 and that was few years ago.

Wedge

 

[shvl73]

Do you have any better photos of yours?

Hard to go wrong at that price. Post some pics when you get a chance. I've attached a better picture of mine.

There are better pictures at: Home of compact Jinma, Foton, and Koyker Tractors and Parts, Wood Chippers, Backhoes - Affordable Tractor Sales Company
and: Jinma Dealer, Wood Chipper , Compact Jinma Tractors

 

[MJPetersen]

You & Harold have a better eye for details than I do!

Its from doing those puzzles in the comic pages--2 pictures and you are to name the 6 differences between them. You know like a collar shorter, sleeve rolled up and a picture missing.

Mike

 

[MJPetersen]

I may grab the camera and take a few photos to post later. Be for warned though the color might make some people sick.

Wedge go ahead and post some photos. It could not be any worse than the puke green that Ford used on some cars here in Europe.

Mike

 

[wedge40]

Ok here are some photos. Remember I haven't even unpacked it. If I can get the guy to paint within the next week or two I'm going to leave it just where it is.

The Ford 4000 that I'm putting it on has a very slow pump, I think about 4.5 gpm so even if I did hook it up it wouldn't be a fair test. Beside making sure the thing works.

I have most everything to add a pump to the front of the tractor that runs off the cam shaft. I still need a reservoir and some of the hoses. I have a 14.6 gpm @ 1800 rpm Cessna pump. I'm thinking this should be more that enough to drive the FEL or BH without any problems.

No lets see if I can upload a few files.

 

[MJPetersen]

That is not a bad blue or is it green, but I would not want to see it next to a ford/New Holland or a John Deere. Yewwwww!! Maybe you just should paint your tractor to match.

What size are the cylinders and your system pressure? Actually a 4.5 gallon pump should run a small hoe like that just fine.

Mike

 

[wedge40]

That is not a bad blue or is it green, but I would not want to see it next to a ford/New Holland or a John Deere. Yewwwww!! Maybe you just should paint your tractor to match.

Ever see the green that the ps2 connectors are on a computer. Real close match.

What size are the cylinders and your system pressure? Actually a 4.5 gallon pump should run a small hoe like that just fine.

Mike

What would be a good way to measure the cylinders? Is it just to diameter of the piston?

Wedge