turnoffs and downsides to old iron-survey

   / turnoffs and downsides to old iron-survey #21  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( ...can reach toplink and 3ph tilt from seat to adjust on the fly without additional hydraulics )</font>

Amen! That is the one thing I miss the most about my new tractor. Rear visibility and access is far less than it was on the old tractors.
 
   / turnoffs and downsides to old iron-survey #22  
Soundguy,
I'm a new farmer. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif (3 yrs at the horsefarm now.)
The farm came with a 53 Ford Jubilee and a finish mower. We used it the first summer, while trying to figure out what to do. Eventually bought a new Kubota L3830 with a rotary cutter. Don't use the Jubilee anymore.

The reasons:
1. Multiple users. Kubota easier to drive
2. Safety
3. Wanted a loader
4. Jubilee in rough shape. Tough to start, had to hold the throttle the whole time, etc.

So, I still have the jubilee, but don't think we'll ever use it.

Have a good one,
Neil.
 
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#23  
You can fix the throttle with a spring and friction disc.. You can make them out of cork easy. the hard start may be 30$ worth of tune up items..

If you get the time.. get her running.. a 2nd tractor is always a good thing..

Soundguy
 
   / turnoffs and downsides to old iron-survey #24  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( a 2nd tractor is always a good thing.. )</font>
I hear you there, Soundguy. And agree wholeheartedly.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( If you get the time.. )</font>
Ahh, you've hit the nail on the head. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Have a good one,
Neil.
 
   / turnoffs and downsides to old iron-survey #25  
JD H - First tractor I ever operated. Loved pulling the flywheel through to get her going. Loved the barking little 2 banger. Hated that goofy 1 bottom plow that you raised and lowered with a long hand lever. Have forgotten whether it had a PTO or not. Think it might've. It did have a belt drive takeoff. My Dad used it to drive a couple of old wood planers he had. Planed a lot of wood with the old H banging away. 3 forward speeds seemed enough for what we did then. Brakes were always an issue. Our 40 was pretty rough. The guy I worked for on my very first job had one in showroom condition (did they have showrooms for those things?); but ours ran alot better. Dad knew magnetos cold.

JD40 narrow front replaced the H. Still got it. Up until last year, it was A#1 on reliability. It would always start and always get the job done, albeit slowly. Amazing versatility for a tractor this small and low powered. 4 speeds forward with this one...but often an arm wrestling match to change gears. Reverse was usually a fight. Clutch was very grabby. 6 volt system was poor, but all it took to go to 12 volts was a new battery, different bulbs in the lights, and a 12 volt coil as I recall. Great tractor for raking hay but power steering would've made it better. Our first 3pt. hitch...and it was a good one. Very easy on fuel and will run on almost anything. When the premix got too old to be trusted in the outboards or the chainsaws, the 40 would lap it up.

Late sixties Ford 2000 supplemented the JD40 when we got 50 acres. Still got the 2000. 3 cylinder gas engine with 4 forward speeds. Good, tough little tractor with plenty of power; maybe too much. Sort of an 8N on steroids. Both brakes are on the right side where they belong. First gear was not low enough so couldn't use the power effectively in many cases. Also had traction problems but filling the rears would've helped. When the going got tough, the engine would never slow down, you'd just lose traction and watch the wheels spin. Replacement carburetors are very expensive. Has a bad tendency to collect grass clippings, leaf fragments, whatever in the elbow at the bottom of the gas tank eventually reducing fuel flow to virtually nil. Every couple of years it would die in the middle of a job and have to be cleaned out. Elbow was hard to get to. Transmission PTO made bushhogging interesting at times. Manual steering made it tiring. Tractor will work all day on only 2 or 3 gallons of gas. Probably our least reliable tractor, but only due to minor things.

'74 Ford 4000 diesel started life as the power unit for the neighbor's self propelled string bean picker. The bean picker wore out somewhere around 2000 hours and was scrapped but the 4000 was rescued and reassembled as a tractor. My Dad got it with about 2800 hours on it and spent 6 weeks stopping all the leaks. It was kinda rough but a good runner. Lotsa guts, lotsa gears (8!) and dripping with luxury (power steering and independent PTO). However no 3pt. hitch arms and no fenders. Installed a set of TSC hitch arms that work great. Tractor is a real sweetheart, but it should have been built with glow plugs. Below 50 degrees it doesn't want to start, below 30 degrees it needs ether. Have to keep adding power steering fluid, but that's the only serious leak right now. Another fuel sipper; surprising for how powerful it is. Very reliable until the mice ate the wiring. Seems fine now that I've rewired it.

Oh yeah, there was a JD60 in the barn for a few years. It worked pretty well but drank fuel like mad if you worked it. Had the compression release petcocks....cool. Sitting up the way that thing did, it was scary on the hills. I miss its bark, but was glad to see it go.

The JD40 and the 2000 will be sold, hopefully next year. Would like to get an M-series Kubota, maybe an M6800 for haying. But right at the moment I could keep something like a B3030 alot busier than an M-series. I'll probably keep the Ford 4000 and my Kubota L4300 forever.
Bob
 
   / turnoffs and downsides to old iron-survey #26  
<font color="blue"> Bota BX2200-- a wonderful tractor. Like driving a cad! </font> ************
Driving the BX23 feels like driving a Cad. after using the 1966 and 1967 850 Bolenses.
 
   / turnoffs and downsides to old iron-survey #27  
I am assuming that you mean "old" old tractors. Vintage or pre-1960 or whatever.
The only "old" iron I am familiar with are IHC and John Deere. I like Deere's duplex carbeuration, RolloMatic, handclutches (sometimes) and the sound of a Poppin' Johnny. I like IHC's fasthitch, touch control and reliability.
I don't like steel wheels, pan seats and "chicken roost" steering. I don't ike 6-volt systems, crank starts or belt pulleys. Steel wheels limit you to dirt roads, cranks starts and belt pulleys (seen one disintegrate on the "M". Lucky nobody got hurt)are dangerous and pan seats are uncomfortable AND dangerous, and "chicken roost", well I just think they are ugly (sorry Case). Both our "super C" and "200" had a terrible 6-volt system. If you wanted to start them again, you needed a crank or a good hill (pop the clucth in 2nd gear).
I never drove an old tractor that had much for brakes, so you needed to think ahead. Brakes on old Farmalls were a tricky lot. If you had "bands" like on the 140, they were OK. The ones on the "C" and "200" seemed to fall out of adjustment easilly (in my experience, since they got left outside). I never adjusted any on a john Deere (we had an "H", an "M" and a "50" and the brakes would take after a bit). It seemed like the FArmalls always had brake troubles, and the Johnny's always needed a clutch.
Getting into the seat of a John deere "M" can be a pain (hope I never have to jump off quick). Most of the attachements for old machines were proprietary. Luckilly, you can still get some parts, but they are getting harder to find.

My family still has most of these old machines still kicking around for raking and tedding or running a saw-rig.

Most of the "real" work is done with a John Deere 4020, 4320, 5103, or 5105. We also still have two old Farmall 504's that don't have much for brakes either. /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif


As much as I like old tractors, I don't have the time or the place to give them the respect they deserve, meaning that one in original condition always needs tinkering and to leave them outside is just a shame. You also need lead substitute unless you want to redo the valves. I like my new tractor. No tinkering, no troubles. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / turnoffs and downsides to old iron-survey #28  
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I love the Farmall/IHC old iron and use a 1946 Farmall M on my 160 acre farm. It does all my grain and alfalfa planting, pulls the irrigation ditches every year, rakes all the hay that needs it and much much more....it's just a great tractor. I did build a custom 3 point for it that looks factory because it uses 80% Farmall parts rather than the poorly IMHO designed "clamp on the axle" three points offered by third partys. It has the power steering option of it's era and the wide front end. The brakes work great but they are of the disk design not the band type. These tractors where designed to last forever. My grandfather and my dad couldn't wear out this machine in their life times and I won't be able to wear it out in mine. Everything on it was designed to be rebuilt. If I ever get the time to get it properly painted I'll be real happy. Newer tractors have way to much plastic and things that are flimsey. I going thru the process of repainting the outside and replacing the interior on my JD4430 and I have a great respect for the way the old guys designed that old M compared to the 4430. Not that the 4430 isn't a good tractor but it is designed to wear out. For example....when the 4430 is 50 years old where do you think I will get the fiberglass top that is the top of the cab? If you properly setup and repair one of these old tractors I think you will find that they will perform most anything you ask of them. I know mine does. My other tractor is a Farmall 806 with aftermarket cab and a JD158 FEL. Now if I can just get my grandfather to let me have his IHC 350. That is another great little tractor because it has a live tail.:)
 
   / turnoffs and downsides to old iron-survey #29  
Man, this is an old thread.......but here it goes.


"When there is a will, there is a way."
AND
"With enough money, anything can be done."


With that being said, both apply to the "old iron to be collected" vs "old iron to be used."

A shop I just visited is rebuilding SOS trannies. When the input shaft is shot, they have "repaired" the splines by "resplining". I guess welding and recutting, so far, so good......

I know of tons of the 4010/4030/3010/3020 John Deeres being used still today. Some are hybrids, 3020 tranny w/ a 4020 engine. Some, naturally, are for collection and have seen tehir last day in the field. Some, will die in the field.


A general "don't like" about old iron, lack of standardization. Most manufacutures didn't have a 3pt and if they did, it was odd (look at the JD model 60 2 cylinder....center link was funny). Also, the 6 Volt sytem (some were POSITIVE ground, others NEGATIVE).
 
   / turnoffs and downsides to old iron-survey
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#30  
What's wrong with positive ground?

Soundguy
 

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