Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel Fuel Warning

[SkyPup]

Daryl,

E85 is available at only about 600 of 170,000 U.S. gas stations.

Another major problem: Because of water condensation in the pipelines that transport much of the nation's oil and gasoline, ethanol must be shipped by truck or train, not via pipelines.

Biodiesel is in the same boat......

 

[SkyPup]

Daryl,

E85 is available at only about 600 of 170,000 U.S. gas stations.

Another major problem: Because of water condensation in the pipelines that transport much of the nation's oil and gasoline, ethanol must be shipped by truck or train, not via pipelines.

Biodiesel is in the same boat......

 

[5030]

HGM;

I just happen to drive a 2004 Western Star with a new generation ACERT Caterpillar twin turbo catalytic convertor equipped engine and the engine internally, with the exception of ceramic cam followers and unit injectors is no different than engines 10 years ago. Today they are all drive by wire and the average wrench needs to be a computer tech to work on them.

I don't think much of the new Ford/Navistar engine. For torque rise and pulling power there is no substitute for displacement. Maybe thats why Cummins is enlarging their small truck engine and I expect that it will wind up in a Ford chassis real soon. Dodge (Diamler/Chrysler/MB) will wind up with a downsized MB engine. Navistar, well, maybe farm equipment if they can sort out their varible rate turbocharging problems.

Remember, may day job allows me to preview what's going on in the diesel world, particulate traps and all.

I can't sling the verbage of SP, but I do get my hands dirty and the new generation of engines are dirty inside, especially DDEC engines.

 

[5030]

HGM;

I just happen to drive a 2004 Western Star with a new generation ACERT Caterpillar twin turbo catalytic convertor equipped engine and the engine internally, with the exception of ceramic cam followers and unit injectors is no different than engines 10 years ago. Today they are all drive by wire and the average wrench needs to be a computer tech to work on them.

I don't think much of the new Ford/Navistar engine. For torque rise and pulling power there is no substitute for displacement. Maybe thats why Cummins is enlarging their small truck engine and I expect that it will wind up in a Ford chassis real soon. Dodge (Diamler/Chrysler/MB) will wind up with a downsized MB engine. Navistar, well, maybe farm equipment if they can sort out their varible rate turbocharging problems.

Remember, may day job allows me to preview what's going on in the diesel world, particulate traps and all.

I can't sling the verbage of SP, but I do get my hands dirty and the new generation of engines are dirty inside, especially DDEC engines.

 

[HGM]

Daryl,
I have no issue of doubt with what your saying..I certainly mean no offence by this, but the trucking and ag industry are lagging a bit behind the light truck market.. So,I would venture to say that your trucks emissions are closer to where the light truck market needed to be in 2000, not because of lack of technology, but federal mandates.... Like I said, some MFG's are able to keep the same configuration and not make all the changes.. Navistar with the 7.3L was tried and true, bullet proof and behind the times heading into the 2000's.. The 6.0L had the cards stacked against it when the designed it.. Someone was looking at the diesel HP wars and decided that if we could turn this thing 4000RPM we'd get more HP..Its been downhill since then because of the inherant lack of TQ down low.. There have been issues, but as a small diesel for the average Super Duty owner(if they are taught how to treat it) its a decent engine.. I believe Cummins has it completely under control at the moment, but dont believe that we will ever see one in a production Ford truck.. There are many reasons behind that, but who really knows.. Ford is working on their own engine as well, using some of its European counterparts.. Maybe that will make it over here...??...

 

[HGM]

Daryl,
I have no issue of doubt with what your saying..I certainly mean no offence by this, but the trucking and ag industry are lagging a bit behind the light truck market.. So,I would venture to say that your trucks emissions are closer to where the light truck market needed to be in 2000, not because of lack of technology, but federal mandates.... Like I said, some MFG's are able to keep the same configuration and not make all the changes.. Navistar with the 7.3L was tried and true, bullet proof and behind the times heading into the 2000's.. The 6.0L had the cards stacked against it when the designed it.. Someone was looking at the diesel HP wars and decided that if we could turn this thing 4000RPM we'd get more HP..Its been downhill since then because of the inherant lack of TQ down low.. There have been issues, but as a small diesel for the average Super Duty owner(if they are taught how to treat it) its a decent engine.. I believe Cummins has it completely under control at the moment, but dont believe that we will ever see one in a production Ford truck.. There are many reasons behind that, but who really knows.. Ford is working on their own engine as well, using some of its European counterparts.. Maybe that will make it over here...??...

 

[5030]

HGM:

According to our mechanics (technicians now (uch!!)), Diamler will cease to install a Cummins in their pickup truck within 2 years, simply because MB has a small diesel that will fit..read Sprinter engine. Also, Ford owns a sizeable share of Cummins so the switch makes sense on a corporate level.

What never fails to amaze me is that my M9 meets Tier II emissions levels for the European marketplace with a mechanical pump while my 2004 Caterpillar does not. Caterpillar paid the fine, DDEC is compliant, Volvo is compliant, MB is compliant and Cummins isn't.

From an efficiency standpoint, the new Class 8 diesels are junk. My Cat averages less than 5mpg. In 1979, my NTC 350 Cummins with mechanical injection, no air to air and a (then) antiquated fuel dilevery system averaged 5.5 mpg.

Another example of how things are going backward is my previous Western Star had a DDEC II, 500 hp. Series 60. It was a pre-emmissions 2002 model and it averaged 7.5 mpg. The new DDEC III engines with their exhaust gas recirculation systems, cats, intake controlled temperature and drive by wire are averaging less than 5.5 mpg and are breaking down with alarming frequency. DDEEC degraded their basic warranty from 1 million miles to 500K. That shows how much faith they have in their engines.

A new replacement engine, trimmed out, from any manufacturer costs more than your pickup truck by a long shot.

 

[5030]

HGM:

According to our mechanics (technicians now (uch!!)), Diamler will cease to install a Cummins in their pickup truck within 2 years, simply because MB has a small diesel that will fit..read Sprinter engine. Also, Ford owns a sizeable share of Cummins so the switch makes sense on a corporate level.

What never fails to amaze me is that my M9 meets Tier II emissions levels for the European marketplace with a mechanical pump while my 2004 Caterpillar does not. Caterpillar paid the fine, DDEC is compliant, Volvo is compliant, MB is compliant and Cummins isn't.

From an efficiency standpoint, the new Class 8 diesels are junk. My Cat averages less than 5mpg. In 1979, my NTC 350 Cummins with mechanical injection, no air to air and a (then) antiquated fuel dilevery system averaged 5.5 mpg.

Another example of how things are going backward is my previous Western Star had a DDEC II, 500 hp. Series 60. It was a pre-emmissions 2002 model and it averaged 7.5 mpg. The new DDEC III engines with their exhaust gas recirculation systems, cats, intake controlled temperature and drive by wire are averaging less than 5.5 mpg and are breaking down with alarming frequency. DDEEC degraded their basic warranty from 1 million miles to 500K. That shows how much faith they have in their engines.

A new replacement engine, trimmed out, from any manufacturer costs more than your pickup truck by a long shot.

 

[cowboydoc]

Daryl Ford owns no part whatsoever of Cummins. This has been a popular rumor for many years. Ford sold the very little stock that they had of Cummins back in the middle 90's. Cummins and Dodge currently have a contract through 2012 I believe. Cummins has developed a 6.7 new diesel engine for the Dodge trucks. This engine will be used in the 2007 and up trucks. The only place you will see a Cummins motor in a Ford truck is in the 650 and up trucks.

 

[cowboydoc]

Daryl Ford owns no part whatsoever of Cummins. This has been a popular rumor for many years. Ford sold the very little stock that they had of Cummins back in the middle 90's. Cummins and Dodge currently have a contract through 2012 I believe. Cummins has developed a 6.7 new diesel engine for the Dodge trucks. This engine will be used in the 2007 and up trucks. The only place you will see a Cummins motor in a Ford truck is in the 650 and up trucks.