Unpleasant firsts

   / Unpleasant firsts #21  
This oil debate has come up here at tbn in all of the forums in some form it seems. The common thread of most all of these debates is related to those who are in way over their heads and drowning in debt. I refuse to complain about the cost of fuel because it just is a fact of life now. Is there better things for me to spend my money on, sure there is. I see the debt example brought up on this site daily, i.e what dealer is offering 0 percent FINANCING and so on. If you can't pay cash for it you flat out can't afford it. With monthly debt payments inflationary costs will affect your day to day monetary transactions. Oil jumps a dime and the bank does not care you do not have an extra dime they want their payment and now your short a dime. If nothing is financed you have alot more control as to what becomes priority in your life. Get smart with money and it will work better for you.

Brad
 
   / Unpleasant firsts #22  
Brad,

I cannot agree with you more. It is true that many people in our society live so close to the edge that they are greatly affected by small variations in gas price. Yes, there are those truly less fortunate who by reason beyond their control have difficult times related to current issues with gas and other "spin off" expense. As we both know, these people are in the minority of those swimming in debt. I accepted a position with a large tertiary care hospital last year that allowed me to pursue my medical interests and spend more time with my family, two important and oft neglected things for a physician. I also make quite a bit more money than I did before, a nice bonus but not the reason I changed jobs. Interestingly when I was in private practice I was responsible for reviewing all payroll checks before they were sent to our 53 (at the time) employees. We had an office manager but a physician partner had to sign off on the payroll (that was me). In almost EVERY case, I had at least 10 employees asking me to review their checks early so they could deposit them to cover, primarily, credit card expense. One employee, who made around $10/hour, admitted to me she had over $40,000 in credit card debt AND had bad credit, thusly eliminating her good chance for a better rate. She was single and had two small children, which her parents, who also apparently had a poor financial state, were helping to raise. What type future does this leave for HER lineage?? My dad always has echoed that if someone took all the money away from each of us, and monitored our progress for 10 years, the ones who are comfortable now would be again and the ones who are broke now would be again also. I think he has a point. As you aptly stated gas is but one aspect of a much larger problem which in my mind is unfixable, given our penchant to overspend and undersave (I read 30% of Americans have less than $500.00 in savings--can this be true??). Sure, I have used credit myself for convenience, but pay things off timely and use it only as a last resort. This is something ingrained to me by my dad, and I wish more of our population had that type guidance. To many have the guidance like that I noted above.

John M
 
   / Unpleasant firsts #23  
John M,

I'm in a similar position as you, self employed and in the past have worked as many as three jobs to sustain a paid for lifestyle. I mandate a debt to income inquiry on all of my potential hires. I without a doubt have some of the BEST employees on the planet due to their finances are in line at home and they don't bring the finance stress to my building or create a bad culture with their co workers. With that said, It is not beneath me to work after hours for some of my self employed friends if asked. One of my employees saw me on a weekend working for a friend of mine and figured if the boss does it he can to. He showed up for work one monday excited as a kid at christmas in a brand new cadillac escalade, hopped out and handed me the bill of sale. As I read the bottom line on the bill of sale it said paid CASH!!!! He looked at me with a grin and said, I have been listening and watching, I now know why you pay with cash and don't finance, IT FEELS GREAT and it's mine not some bank's. As for those on the minimum wage front and hovering close, education and some equitable skill sets will go a long way. In high school the local road construction companies were hiring all of us kids at the time they could. Trained us on equipment and form carpentry, then paid us federal davis-bacon wages on job sites. I don't know why some people stay entry level, that is not what minimum wage was designed for.
 
   / Unpleasant firsts #24  
Big, jcm,

I agree with both of you 100%.
We have;
Cars, truck, tractors, a house and some acres. Paid in full.

It's not hard to do, either. While some of my buddies were buying new trucks, boats, etc every year or so, trading up houses (bigger debt each time too and needing new furnishings), we were living UNDER our means, paying down the house (30 year note paid off in 13), paying down vehicles etc. Also, not having the habit of blowing a 1/2 days pay every week in the tavern on booze and smokes helps a lot!

jb
 
   / Unpleasant firsts #25  
your atleast lucky enough to be in that situation through timing. im young enough that i was screwed from the begenning and am just now getting out from under where my parents left me. I have learned about debt and will never have personal credit cards. those who dont own wont get ahead of the game. I feal sorry for the kids of the worker with 40k debt. I know just how hard it will be. Considering where she is, they probably have not been taught how to live self sufficently or any skills needed to keep from being in debt.
 
   / Unpleasant firsts #26  
Whenever I hear about people losing their homes, or massive personal debt, I think of a guy that I used to work with. Around the mid 90's he bought a 2,500 sq ft home on 3 acres in the Hayward hills of California for $250,000. It was a fixer upper, but still a steal of a price.

He cleaned up the house, new paint and carpets, but nothing major. The value of the house started to increase quite a bit. Sometimes as much as $100,000 in a single year. He would refinance his loan one year and take out a second the next year. He said that a home was never supposed to be paid for anyway and that he'd be crazy not to take advantage of the equity that he had into it. He and his wife spent it on trips and partying. New computers, tv's and gifts. They really liked to show off and even splurged to pay for strangers on a helicopter tour in hawaii.

When the cash ran out, the struggled to survive. Sometimes they had to borrow money just to buy gasoline to get to work. His mom would have to help out with the mortgage payment and when things broke in the house, they were left broken.

This cycle went of for awhile until the money they took out was used to cover the personal loans they had and help with the mortgage payment. Somehow they were still able to refinace the house when the payment was more then they could make from their jobs!!!

Their million dollar home is now worth half that, but they owe half a million more then what it might sell for. Some of us sold out houses at or near the peak. I did and moved to Texas. He never had that option and I often wonder if he still has the house and who's making the payments.

To add to that, his credit card collecton was legandary. They were both famous for getting new cards to pay for the old cards, or go on short trips. A cruise or long weekend at Lake Tahoe, or hunting trip to Utah. Lots of drinking and showing off that he would tell us about, and we'd just wonder at how he made the payments.

He did start a beef jerky business that did real well. He was a natural salesman and had people coming up to him buying every thing he had. It was good beef jerky too!!! He paid for it from his credit card and then made minimum payments on the card. Another indication of big spending and no common sense. He got to the point that he was trying to borrow cash from his family and then co-workers to get more beef jerky since his credit cards were maxed out. He couldn't get the cash and wasn't able to get anymore beef jerky to sell.

When I left, he had his horses taken away from him, though I'm not sure of the real reason. He said it was too much money to feed them, but his wife had told somebody that he bought them on a payment deal and after making payments for a few years, quit because he didn't have any more cash.

People like him are big influences in my life. I never want to be in that sort of situation and have struggled, sacrificed and waited for the things I want so that I can afford them. I'm debt free right now except for a small credit card debt that I used recently and will pay off shortlly. I'm looking at buying a new cargo van, but don't want to go into debt to buy it, so I'll hold off for awhile longer. Not sure about what I want exactly, so there's no rush anyway.

I bought gas for my truck Saturday morning at $3.79 a gallon and when we left for a wedding a few hours later, it had gone up to $3.89!!!!! It hurts, but so far, we're just paying it and going on with our normal lives.

Eddie
 
   / Unpleasant firsts #27  
Now after reading Eddies note about the guy he used to work with and how he too care of his finances, think for a minute about who is bailing him and a hundred thousand like him, out of his "dire need"?

Us that's who.

The stupid politicians are buying votes with our money by bailing out people who tossed money around with no respect at all. Now people like "kendrick"
will be faced with loans that are 1-2 points higher to pay for the bailouts of dead beats and wastrels and will probably have higher taxes to boot.

Grrrr.

Nuff said
 
   / Unpleasant firsts #28  
A brief synopsis of an ad running on the local country radio station (my emphasis)

John-
"Bob are you taking the kids to the lake this weekend?"

Bob
"No - I can't afford the gas!"

John-
"You should buy a pool from Namco! I did"

Announcer
"Why spend money on high gas prices when you can vacation in your own back yard?

Let's do the math - figure the lake is 100 miles round trip at 20MPG that is 5 gallons = $20 which is only $10 more than if gas were $2 a gallon. So instead of paying $10 extra (or $200 if he goes 20 times) to visit the lake, he is going to save money by paying thousands for a pool.

The reason this ad will actually work is because Namco is offering financing on the pool and some people really aren't all that smart.
 
   / Unpleasant firsts #29  
john_bud said:
Us that's who.

The stupid politicians are buying votes with our money by bailing out people who tossed money around with no respect at all.

Boy, you know, seems like no matter how you spin the wheel, Congress people are getting us in bigger trouble.

Junk bond market
S&L bailout
high tech stock crash
congressional banking irregularities
deregulation of banks and utilities
oil co. buyouts
coming soon.......junk mortgage paper :sad:
 
   / Unpleasant firsts #30  
Folks, let's not forget that politics is a prohibited topic on Tractorbynet.:rolleyes:
 

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