Using dyed diesel in a pickup truck

[LBrown59]

<font color="blue"> ( Isn't this the same as saying you're shooting people because you have a gun?? )

In a word...No.

*It is similar to walking around on a game reserve with loaded gun in hand and trying to convince the game warden you are not hunting. </font>
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*Here you're not on your own land but with red diesel in your truck parked in your driveway you are.

Big difference here, so that's where the similarity ends.

 

[LBrown59]

<font color="blue"> ( Isn't this the same as saying you're shooting people because you have a gun?? )

In a word...No.

*It is similar to walking around on a game reserve with loaded gun in hand and trying to convince the game warden you are not hunting. </font>
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*Here you're not on your own land but with red diesel in your truck parked in your driveway you are.

Big difference here, so that's where the similarity ends.

 

[cowboydoc]

<font color="red">I would think it would depend upon the location of the vehicle, i.e., whether it is on the owner's personal property or not. But again, the fact that it is an on-road vehicle opens up the possibility that it could be operated on the road with the red fuel in it.
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If you are on your own personal property it doesn't matter what you have in the tank and there is no law that you are breaking by having red diesel in your tanks. We have trucks on our ranches that rarely, if ever see a public road. They have had red fuel in them from day one.

It is simply NOT illegal to have red fuel in your tanks. It's only illegal if you drive on the road and don't pay the taxes.

Second, and thank goodness, in this country the law does not rest on what things would seem but what is actual fact. You make alot of assumptions in your post and the law does not rely on assumptions.

 

[cowboydoc]

<font color="red">I would think it would depend upon the location of the vehicle, i.e., whether it is on the owner's personal property or not. But again, the fact that it is an on-road vehicle opens up the possibility that it could be operated on the road with the red fuel in it.
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If you are on your own personal property it doesn't matter what you have in the tank and there is no law that you are breaking by having red diesel in your tanks. We have trucks on our ranches that rarely, if ever see a public road. They have had red fuel in them from day one.

It is simply NOT illegal to have red fuel in your tanks. It's only illegal if you drive on the road and don't pay the taxes.

Second, and thank goodness, in this country the law does not rest on what things would seem but what is actual fact. You make alot of assumptions in your post and the law does not rely on assumptions.

 

[cp1969]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( We have trucks on our ranches that rarely, if ever see a public road. )</font>

"Rarely" is a completely different animal than "if ever", which I assume to mean never. Please correct me if that is a bad assumption.

Rarely seeing a public road while running on red fuel means, to me, that they are occasionally used on road with off-road (untaxed) fuel. That is what is commonly known as breaking the law, despite the fact that it "rarely" occurs. Using it as a defense: "But Judge, I rarely commit armed robberies" rarely, if ever, works.

At any rate, my assumption that your truck with red fuel in it would eventually end up on the road apparently was not all that far off.

 

[cp1969]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( We have trucks on our ranches that rarely, if ever see a public road. )</font>

"Rarely" is a completely different animal than "if ever", which I assume to mean never. Please correct me if that is a bad assumption.

Rarely seeing a public road while running on red fuel means, to me, that they are occasionally used on road with off-road (untaxed) fuel. That is what is commonly known as breaking the law, despite the fact that it "rarely" occurs. Using it as a defense: "But Judge, I rarely commit armed robberies" rarely, if ever, works.

At any rate, my assumption that your truck with red fuel in it would eventually end up on the road apparently was not all that far off.

 

[MikePA]

I guess this is what happens when a thread 'goes on forever'. Doc has already posted that

"When we do we have to keep track of mileage and destinations and turn in the tax to the state and feds."

Therefore, it's not breaking the law.

Two things have to occur for it to be illegal;

(1) Run dyed fuel on a public road

AND

(2) Not pay the road taxes due for the miles run on the road.

 

[MikePA]

I guess this is what happens when a thread 'goes on forever'. Doc has already posted that

"When we do we have to keep track of mileage and destinations and turn in the tax to the state and feds."

Therefore, it's not breaking the law.

Two things have to occur for it to be illegal;

(1) Run dyed fuel on a public road

AND

(2) Not pay the road taxes due for the miles run on the road.

 

[DaveNay]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Two things have to occur for it to be illegal;

(1) Run dyed fuel on a public road

AND

(2) Not pay the road taxes due for the miles run on the road. )</font>

Just out of curiosity, how do you account for the MPG of each vehicle? As far as I know, the taxes are based on gallons purchased. Is there a special method used to calculate the taxes based on miles driven? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

 

[DaveNay]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Two things have to occur for it to be illegal;

(1) Run dyed fuel on a public road

AND

(2) Not pay the road taxes due for the miles run on the road. )</font>

Just out of curiosity, how do you account for the MPG of each vehicle? As far as I know, the taxes are based on gallons purchased. Is there a special method used to calculate the taxes based on miles driven? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif