UV's on ski hills?

   / UV's on ski hills? #11  
you do have more of an advantage with the track . anytime you are putting more of a foot print down on a surface you have an advantage . why do you think snow shoes work so good.the bigger the footprint the more traction the more traction the better you go through what ever your trying to go through. that hpx looks nice with them tracks.
 
   / UV's on ski hills? #12  
But at the same time a big footprint could be a hindrence. For example snow tires on a car are usually a tad smaller then normal summer/all season tires. This allows them to dig into the snow better instead of floating ontop. Not sure if that would apply to any conditions you would see off road but oh well.
 
   / UV's on ski hills? #13  
darkday said:
But at the same time a big footprint could be a hindrence. For example snow tires on a car are usually a tad smaller then normal summer/all season tires. This allows them to dig into the snow better instead of floating ontop. Not sure if that would apply to any conditions you would see off road but oh well.


but on the car tire thats what you want it to do you want it to dig through the snow and grab the road .. but the tracks you want them to pretty much be able to ride on top of the snow and down here we use the tracks on the marsh buggies with pontoons so they ride on top of the mud and marsh because if they dig into it they are stuck.
 
   / UV's on ski hills? #14  
Yeah true.

Man you got me thinking about yesterday though when you said marsh. Our little 2 foot deep or so marsh is all frozen and I took the gator out there. That's some good fun spinning around in circles on the ice and going sideways. :D Sorry random thought.
 
   / UV's on ski hills? #15  
well when we down here say marsh we talk about something that is bottomless meaning you just keep on sinking there is swamp and then there is marsh swamp you can walk through but marsh on the other hand is something you really don't wanna be caught up in somethimes you will hit a hard spot but 9 out of 10 times your sinking it's kinda like quiksand the more you try to get out the more you dig yourself deeper into a whole.lol i seen a buddy comin home from work and he went off the road and he was drivin a 300zx and went into the marshwell need i say any more that front end of the z was like a missle in the marshhe escaped out the t-tops covered with mud all that we could see was his tail lights and by the time the tow truck got there the car was gone . the tow truck driver told him that if he wanted his car he had to go out there and hook it up well he went and crawled out and got to the hole in the mud then felt down and about 2 felt down there was the rear end of his car so he hooked it up and crawled back to the road. man that was a nice car too red 300zx t-tops. the dude wanted to cry when that thing came out the mud .lol
 
   / UV's on ski hills? #16  
Mine's basically a 2 foot pond but if you were to take a UTV out there it would get stuck for sure but at least it wouldn't suck me in. Unless of course it was frozen :D

I think I would cry too if I had a 300ZX and lost it. Those are some pretty nice cars.
 
   / UV's on ski hills? #17  
I had the opportunity to drive a Polaris Ranger equipped with Mattracks up and down a remote site access road a few times on Friday. The conditions ranged from bare gravel at the bottom to approximatly 12" of snow at the top with areas of compacted snow/ice in the middle over about 2 1/2 miles. All of my driving was with 4X4 engaged. This was my first chance to try this type drive system, but I have driven many different ORV's over the years. This is my opinion after about an hours driveing time.

Out on fresh snow, the machine made it's own way pretty easy. Traction and braking with the mattco tracks was excellent under all the varying conditions. If you had enough momentum, particularly going downhill, you could probally do a "stoppie" with it, in part due to the raised ride height/CG. The track drive wheel is smaller than the stock tire/rim so there is a reduction in tread speed for a given engine/transmission RPM and an overall reduction in top speed, not that you would ever want to go fast in one of these things anyway. This reduction in gearing made brake usage almost unnecessary even on the steepest downhills.

Unfortunatly, that is about where my good thoughts ended. In my opinion, the negatives were most likley due to the tread choice on the tracks. The tread lugs on the track were purely perpendicular to the tread belt movement, placed in a stagard formation. This does not provide for very much side traction. The snow on the road was a little rutted from other vehicles and the difference between the tread width on the machine and the rut width lead to the machine flopping from side to side a bit(as would most any vehicle). On the smooth icy parts of the road, if any road tilt was evident, and there wasn't much on this gravel logging road, the vehicle would tend to walk(slide) sideways down the grade untill enough snow/loose material could build up alongside the tread to halt the movement. This lack of side traction probably contributed to the poor side to side performance in the existing ruts. Unfortunatly, this lack of sideways traction is most evident when you try to turn. This thing had the turning radius of a stretch limo! The ammount you can even turn the steering wheel is limited by the triangular tread assemblies. When you do turn the wheel, the supperior traction of the rear end(thrusting straight ahead) easilly overcomes the lack of side traction of the turned front treads and the machine wants to push straight ahead(understeer) with the front tracks providing a lot less than normal sideways movement. A round turnaround where I could easilly have turned around a wheeled UT or a quad, required me to back and fill not once, but twice. I tried this several times with different combinations of speed and power to see if there was an operator tequnique that would overcome this deficiency, but it was the same(poor) no matter how I tried it. The tracks slide sideways at least as far as they were thrusted forward by the front drive train. A tire in this same situation will act like a rudder, but these did not, probably due to the fact that they cannot turn as far to left or right. Front wheel drive only in this situation might have been a benefit in turning, allowing the front treads to dig in and drag the front around in a tighter circle. It goes great in a straight line, but I would not want to try and snake one of these thru the trees or similar obstacles. The steering was also very heavy under all conditions. Power steering would be nice with these tracks. I think the performance would have been better with different lugs on the tracks, either side lugs parallel to the belt movement or a single center lug running the length of the belt or an AG pattern all of which would probably improve sideways traction. This however might cause other unwanted side effects, such as throwing front tracks due to excessive side loads in turns.
 
   / UV's on ski hills?
  • Thread Starter
#18  
Ron,
thanks for the review, brings up a lot of questions.

I watched a video on Kimpex website with tracks on
quads, and of course it's a factory demo video, and would
only show best performance, but I thought I saw the machine
drifting sideways on a hill also.

thanks again
 
   / UV's on ski hills? #20  
Dutch445 said:
Ron,
thanks for the review, brings up a lot of questions.

I watched a video on Kimpex website with tracks on
quads, and of course it's a factory demo video, and would
only show best performance, but I thought I saw the machine
drifting sideways on a hill also.

thanks again
Dutch, as a snowcat owner one of the things I consider on steep hills is lateral slides. My snowcat has cleats that are both parallel and perpendicular to the track movement. Many snowcats have some sort of cleat (called a grouser) that has some sort of design to prevent, or at least reduce, side slippage but many do not. On something like a UTV, I would be concerned about lateral slippage, especially while pulling a heavy drag.

I would honestly suggest you check out a couple of the "Snow Grooming" forums, this is a topic that does get discussed by the professional groomers.
 

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