Varmit Rifle

   / Varmit Rifle #21  
I probably have the most fun shooting a lever action. There's just something about cycling that lever. The new stainless models are sweet. I'm waiting for them to chamber one in the new .500 S&W. Wouldn't that be a hoot? I'm glad they did away with the micro-grooved barrels on the pistol rounds like the .44 and .357. I don't shoot many cast bullets, but why be limited by the rifling. I hope to take a deer with my .44 this year. 100 yds. w/ open sights, I better get to the range and put in some trigger time /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif My only quip about the marlins are the sights, I think they could've done better.
 
   / Varmit Rifle #22  
One thing about the Mini 30 from Ruger is that it will not shoot the cheap surplus iron curtain ammo. There is a slight difference in bullet diameter between USA ammo and iron curtain ammo in that round. For cheap shooting those AK type rifles will consume the surplus ammo. J
 
   / Varmit Rifle #23  
I had a Mini 30 but messed around and sold it. I wish I had it back now /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Speaking of Ruger, I have a 357 Maximum with a 10 1/2" barrel. Talk about reaching out, for a handgun anyway.
 
   / Varmit Rifle #24  
If you're looking for light,compact and not too expensive you might consider the NEF Handi-Rifle. Break action single shot that runs around $200. They seem to prefer rimmed calibers - 22 hornet is an option, as is 30-30. I had a little bit of extraction problem with my 223 bbl but some flitz on a rag and they pop right out now. I have other guns of all descriptions except the kind that requires a $200 contribution to the US Treasury, but the single shot break action is a fun little gun. You can't get more compact than a break action. Especially if you get the youth stock.
 
   / Varmit Rifle #25  
"For cheap shooting those AK type rifles will consume the surplus ammo. J "

I really like the AK47 style rifles. They're cheap and tough. Although SKS rifles are nice too, the SKS doesn't have that <font color="red">evil </font> look of an AK (even if the AK has the 5 round magazine). The SKS's hold 12 rounds.
Both of them (AK's and SKS) are tough rifles that can be had for a good price.
Frankly, I like them better then the Rugers.
 
   / Varmit Rifle #26  
Lane, Lots of good advice, so I'll all my thoughts to the group. If short and handy is important to you, I would recommend the Remington Model 7 or the Ruger Model 77 compact. These are great little guns and you can get them in any of the short action calibers (.243, .260, 7mm-08, .308).
Will
 
   / Varmit Rifle #27  
Like someone else said - lots of ideas on this subject...

Forget the .223 (mini-14) - too small for hogs. For hogs, simply put, "bigger is better." .30 cal is the minimum I consider for them, but "@ range?" While yes, you can certainly kill a hog with even a small caliber round, it is far more dangerous due the increased criticality of shot placement. Yes, you can put down a hog in a trap with a .22 shot behind the ear, but when it comes to knocking one down in the field, more energy & penetration along with increased caliber rule the day. I'll admit, I took out a small sow (~175 lbs) @ 140 yards using a SKS using plain ‘ol FMJ Chinese (Norinco) ammo with an open sights "pot shot." (1 shot to dispatch.) Would that have been my first choice? Absolutely not - but it's what I had with me at the time.

The .30-30 outpaces the energy of the 7.62x39 at the muzzle, but since the 7.62x39 has a spire point instead of a round nose like the .30-30, it retains it velocity better (i.e. better ballistic coefficient). If you simply “must” consider a Ruger in semi-auto, consider the Mini-30 - it would be a much better choice considering hogs are on your “hit list.” (As someone else mentioned, SKS’s, AK’s etc have a larger bore than the domestic Rugers - so while it is possible to shoot domestic .308" diameter bullets in a SKS/AK, you are going to run in to increased pressures if you shoot foreign produced .311" bulleted ammo in the Ruger.)

Now, considering the “long range” issue, neither the .30-30 or the 7.62x39 are considered “long range” rounds. For true long range shots, you want accuracy and energy - neither of which are considered strong suits with either of those cartridges. If long range shots at thin skinned critters in the coyote/dog class were your only issue, there are ton’s of rounds you could consider (e.g. .220 swift, 6mm Rem., .243, 6mm/284, .257 Roberts, .25-06, .264 Win Mag., etc... (a ton left out) - but with the hog aspect, you are adding a fly to the ointment.

First, if “long range” is truly your wish, I’d go with a bolt action instead of lever or semi-auto. Traditionally speaking, bolt action rifles are the most accurate type of action made. Second, I’d pick a cartridge that is (1) at least .30 caliber (hog), is (2) has a high velocity (say 3000-3500 fps @ the muzzle for flat shooting), and (3) is “known” for it’s accuracy.

To me, the two most common cartridges (assuming you want to stay away from wildcats or other “exotics” that fit this bill would be the .308 (7.62 NATO) or the .300 Win Mag (big difference in velocities/energies, but both meet the criteria I mentioned above including common use in competition.) There are a lot of new cartridges out there too that you could consider that should fit the bill nicely (say the .300 WSM or .300 SA UM) - neither of which I have direct experience with, but seem to be getting favorable reviews.

Recoil/energies are radically different between these cartridges - so that’s something that you’d need to consider as well (you need to define in yards how far is “reach out and touch” is.) Additionally, if you really want something in a semi-auto, there are multiple options when it comes to getting a .308 in SA. (Don’t know of any in .300 WM).

Unfortunately based on your description of what you intend to shoot and at the “how” (i.e. increased range), I think you’d be disappointed overall if you went with either the .30-30 or Mini-14. Don’t get me wrong - great guns - just not well suited for the uses you describe.
 
   / Varmit Rifle #28  
I have used both, and would not recomend either for your app. The 30-30 is an ok 100 yard rifle. The Mini-14, I did really accurate to 200+ yards. But, it would be small for hogs.

I would start by recomending a Savage mdl-99 lever action in .308 or .243. Both shoot well, and have more energy than a 30-30. The .243 shoots flat, so you could get a little range out of it. It is a handy, VERY strong lever action. I have a 50's model in .300 Savage(forerunner to .308). It is a handy carry gun, and has proven itself on hogs.

2nd would be a Remington mdl-7 in .243, 7mm-08, or .308. It's a compact bolt action in three nice calibres. The 7mm-08 is a .308 necked down to 7mm, and is very accurate and flat shooting. All would out perform the 30-30 in a similar sized rifle. It would also do better than .223/min-14 on larger animals.

3rd might be a Browning BLR. They have a box clip, and can use rounds like the .243 ect in the lever action.

Other manufacturers may make a compact bolt gun like the Remington mdl-7. Browning and Savage are the only ones to make a high power lever action.
 
   / Varmit Rifle #29  
I use a sks it seems to shoot rather well cheap to shoot large mags are available and rapid fire to exercise them with(chace them around alittle)
 
   / Varmit Rifle #30  
There are times when I wonder what Elmer Keith would have recomended for this situation.

Egon
 

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