Grapple Very Dissapointed with MIllonzi Grapple

   / Very Dissapointed with MIllonzi Grapple #11  
This is precisely why I'm changing out my Koyker mount for a standard skid steer mount. I have one bucket I'll need to have reworked, but after that I'll be fine.

Wedge
 
   / Very Dissapointed with MIllonzi Grapple #12  
Wedge, have you detailed this "swap-out" in another thread?
 
   / Very Dissapointed with MIllonzi Grapple
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#13  
After looking at the grapple sitting in the back of my truck and going back and forth with John trying to figure out a way to fix this I decided to just get a refund and send it back. Even if they did bore out the collars and make everything else fit some how I noticed there would be no way to grease the piviot pins with their design. They said they would take it back no problem so kudos to them for that at least. Guess I will keep looking.
 
   / Very Dissapointed with MIllonzi Grapple #14  
I'm still confused about why Millonzi isn't using industry provided specs to build the non Universal QA mounts. Doesn't JD publish the specific dimensions necessary to fit their pin mount system? I have never asked for it for one of my tractors but I did ask Woods for the information on my backhoe and received a professional engineering drawing in PDF format that showed to a hundreth of an inch exactly what the dimensions are. Do the tractor manufacturers not make such information public or are they unwilling to give it out if specifically asked. Having a FEL model number and serial number should be perfectly adequate information (IMO) for a company like Millonzi to then get any further information they need to do the custom fabrication.

Maybe they do have the precise dimensions and the problem is on the fabrication side of the process. I don't know if Millonzi is using a CAD type system for producing these mounts but if not then perhaps they should or at least should up the standards for precision. Don't they QC their fabrications? If we were talking about a mount for an out of production Belarus tractor I could see there would be problems but I don't understand why they should have any trouble at all with current or recent models from JD, Kubota, NH, MF, Kioti, Mahindra etc. I have not seen any complaints about WRLong grapples or other brands. Not sure if those are simply mostly QA mounts but I know WRLong and ATI have tractor specific mounts.

Bottom line from my perspective is that this is the type of thing that should not be happening and should not require the major hassle of sending grapples back and forth across the country to fix. Millonzi has always been very responsive but it would be even better if they just got it right to begin with.
 
   / Very Dissapointed with MIllonzi Grapple #15  
AMEN IslandTractor. I sent Millonzi the downloaded drawings/specifications from the JD website on my build. But I guess they didn't opt to read them. Must be a quality control issue as you suggest. Too bad. I like to deal with the small vendor when possible, but they are making it tough to do.

As I said, I was able to grind on mine and make it fit, but it is FAR from a quick mount application. It takes some hands-on taping with a sledge to nudge it in place for the pin to drop in. Also, the hole in the center of the pin for the ring-lock (not sure proper term here) is very small. I have can't use the ring-lock that is cabled to my FEL, and I have to use some smaller rings off of an old box-blade. Again, poor QC
 
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IslandTractor said:
I'm still confused about why Millonzi isn't using industry provided specs to build the non Universal QA mounts. Doesn't JD publish the specific dimensions necessary to fit their pin mount system? I have never asked for it for one of my tractors but I did ask Woods for the information on my backhoe and received a professional engineering drawing in PDF format that showed to a hundreth of an inch exactly what the dimensions are. Do the tractor manufacturers not make such information public or are they unwilling to give it out if specifically asked. Having a FEL model number and serial number should be perfectly adequate information (IMO) for a company like Millonzi to then get any further information they need to do the custom fabrication.

Maybe they do have the precise dimensions and the problem is on the fabrication side of the process. I don't know if Millonzi is using a CAD type system for producing these mounts but if not then perhaps they should or at least should up the standards for precision. Don't they QC their fabrications? If we were talking about a mount for an out of production Belarus tractor I could see there would be problems but I don't understand why they should have any trouble at all with current or recent models from JD, Kubota, NH, MF, Kioti, Mahindra etc. I have not seen any complaints about WRLong grapples or other brands. Not sure if those are simply mostly QA mounts but I know WRLong and ATI have tractor specific mounts.

Bottom line from my perspective is that this is the type of thing that should not be happening and should not require the major hassle of sending grapples back and forth across the country to fix. Millonzi has always been very responsive but it would be even better if they just got it right to begin with.

Thanks for saying the above. I felt like the odd man out for expecting that a company would do the background work required for a proper fit. I keep thinking that if it were my company I would bust my butt to get the correct specs. Happy customers do a lot of good PR work for a company. I know a lot of you folks have nothing but praise to say about their products. I am VERY jealous of that.

I just got off the phone with ATI asking about the Tach All Q/A. Seems like a very high quality system. They even have them in stock to fit my loader. $690 + $60 shipping + $195 conversion plate for my bucket + labor...:eek:

WEDGE40, what type of Q/A are you going to go with?
 
   / Very Dissapointed with MIllonzi Grapple #17  
I got the ATI Tach All Q/A for my new B3030, and it is highly recommended.

I am interested in how this turns out, as I am seriously considering purchasing a Millonzi grapple for my tractor!
 
   / Very Dissapointed with MIllonzi Grapple #18  
stimpee said:
I got the ATI Tach All Q/A for my new B3030, and it is highly recommended.

I am interested in how this turns out, as I am seriously considering purchasing a Millonzi grapple for my tractor!

To my knowledge no one has ever really complained or had anything but good things to say about the grapple itself, especially in the standard QA edition. All the problems reported seem to focus on mismatched custom pin mounts and that should not be an issue for you with your Tach All.
 
   / Very Dissapointed with MIllonzi Grapple #19  
IslandTractor said:
To my knowledge no one has ever really complained or had anything but good things to say about the grapple itself, especially in the standard QA edition. All the problems reported seem to focus on mismatched custom pin mounts and that should not be an issue for you with your Tach All.

So is the 48" unit the right one for my b3030 with la403 loader?

Thanks,
Steve
 
   / Very Dissapointed with MIllonzi Grapple #20  
stimpee said:
So is the 48" unit the right one for my b3030 with la403 loader?

Thanks,
Steve

Yep. I used mine on a 21hp tractor with FEL lift of 1070lbs at pivot pins (avatar photo) and now use it on a 41hp tractor with over 2700lbs lift at pivot pins. Works fine with both and I've never felt the need for anything bigger. The current version is a little beefier in a few critical spots compared to the older ones too but still only weighs a tad more than 300lbs. Anything bigger weighs a lot more which just detracts from your net lift capacity.
 
 

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