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MadDogDriver
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Your $.02 speaks for me too Michael.
TrippleT
Gold Member
I think one of the things that we as parents, and grandparents, as I am, should teach our children not to bully others. And, teachers should be on the watch for this kind of student as well. I think from what I saw in the news that he was very disturbed at the treatment that he received as a child.
Of course this does NOT excuse his actions. However, I think it certainly helped mold him into a psychotic, schizophrenic, psychopathic killer.
The basic idea is, to do unto others as you would want them to do to you. I would inject here, that being said, you don't have to become a doormat either.
Just my two cents worth. You can take that and a couple of bucks to a cheap restaurant and get a cup of coffee.
Of course this does NOT excuse his actions. However, I think it certainly helped mold him into a psychotic, schizophrenic, psychopathic killer.
The basic idea is, to do unto others as you would want them to do to you. I would inject here, that being said, you don't have to become a doormat either.
Just my two cents worth. You can take that and a couple of bucks to a cheap restaurant and get a cup of coffee.
MikePA
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FWIW, I disagree. There have been bullies since well before Eddie Haskell. Some people are simply evil. This guy is one of them.
Plenty of people knew this guy was dangerous, both to himself and to others, for a long time before he went on this rampage and none of them did anything about it.
Having 'gun free zones' is like announcing to psychopaths where the best hunting grounds are.
EDIT: Mentioning that some how bullying in even some small way helped turn him into a psycho shifts some of the blame from him to 'society'. How can 'society' be so cruel, etc. Time was people like this, who had been diagnosed with problems since high school, would have been involuntarily committed. Not these days. No, 'society' can not do anything to either help these people nor protect the rest of us from these people. We must protect their civil rights. If someone had tried to have him committed they would have been slapped with a lawsuit so quick it'd make your head spin. No, these days we must wait until they do something like this, then we wonder what happened and why. Or worse yet, blame it on lax gun laws. If the gun laws were only stricter, who needs pistols anyway, etc. One of the things I've learned working in IT is, if you don't fix the root cause of the problem, it will happen again. Better yet, play the rants and ravings of a psycho over and over again on national TV, it's 'news' don't you know, and see how many other fuses of psychos you can light.
Plenty of people knew this guy was dangerous, both to himself and to others, for a long time before he went on this rampage and none of them did anything about it.
Having 'gun free zones' is like announcing to psychopaths where the best hunting grounds are.
EDIT: Mentioning that some how bullying in even some small way helped turn him into a psycho shifts some of the blame from him to 'society'. How can 'society' be so cruel, etc. Time was people like this, who had been diagnosed with problems since high school, would have been involuntarily committed. Not these days. No, 'society' can not do anything to either help these people nor protect the rest of us from these people. We must protect their civil rights. If someone had tried to have him committed they would have been slapped with a lawsuit so quick it'd make your head spin. No, these days we must wait until they do something like this, then we wonder what happened and why. Or worse yet, blame it on lax gun laws. If the gun laws were only stricter, who needs pistols anyway, etc. One of the things I've learned working in IT is, if you don't fix the root cause of the problem, it will happen again. Better yet, play the rants and ravings of a psycho over and over again on national TV, it's 'news' don't you know, and see how many other fuses of psychos you can light.
Ditto. For this reason I no longer attend concerts and the like where there is a requirement to be unarmed. It escapes me totally that anyone can really believe passing a law will stop someone with evil intent.MikePA said:
Following is an article that I think explains some things better than I can.
Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." George Orwell
TrippleT
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Mike, I do not disagree that this person was evil. He was! You state that society had nothing to do with it. "Mentioning that some how bullying in even some small way helped turn him into a psycho shifts some of the blame from him to 'society'. How can 'society' be so cruel, etc." Then you say, "No, 'society' can not do anything to either help these people nor protect the rest of us from these people. We must protect their civil rights. If someone had tried to have him committed they would have been slapped with a lawsuit so quick it'd make your head spin. No, these days we must wait until they do something like this, then we wonder what happened and why..." I agree, with that last statement. But, I certainly do believe that people who are on the brink can be pushed along by society. IT IS NOT A GOOD EXCUSE TO THE SANE. But in their warped minds it might, just might, exacerbate the situation and again, I am not trying to excuse this murderer for sure!
As for pistols, I have used them to hunt with squirrels.
It is not the gun, it is the NUT that intends on doing harm to others. It is not the car, but the drunk driver that kills thousands each year.
As for pistols, I have used them to hunt with squirrels.
It is not the gun, it is the NUT that intends on doing harm to others. It is not the car, but the drunk driver that kills thousands each year.
hickchic05
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I just wanted to say. I go to Virginia Tech. For all of those who knew that, I am fine. It has just been a very very rough week.
thcri
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Hickchic05 I actually never knew you even existed here on TBN. Glad you checked in as some were concerned about you. But anyways our prayers are with you and all VT. May God bless you.
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hickchic05
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Thank you very much...yeah I have not been on in about a year, but someone from TBN had emailed me to ask how I was.
I just wanted to say plain and simple that kid was SICK. I lived right under him in the dorms last year...and one of my good friends was one of the roomies that talked on CNN. It has been a very difficult time, and the media needs to let us grieve in peace and keep away. I can't tell you how many times me or one of my friends have been asked to do an interview. It was OK at first but it's getting old. This Monday we resume classes (if we want, we don't have to actually go back this semester). And I just hope to God that they leave us alone. I know they will, but Monday will probably be one of the worst days yet.
I just wanted to say plain and simple that kid was SICK. I lived right under him in the dorms last year...and one of my good friends was one of the roomies that talked on CNN. It has been a very difficult time, and the media needs to let us grieve in peace and keep away. I can't tell you how many times me or one of my friends have been asked to do an interview. It was OK at first but it's getting old. This Monday we resume classes (if we want, we don't have to actually go back this semester). And I just hope to God that they leave us alone. I know they will, but Monday will probably be one of the worst days yet.
