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   / Watcha eating? #281  
Dan and Don,
There are many risk factors for having a heart attack family history is just one of them. Also need to take into account Diet and Smoking as examples.
David

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David, are you saying that there could be just one factor involved (like diet) that could cause heart disease with no other factors?

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   / Watcha eating? #282  
David, are you saying that there could be just one factor involved (like diet) that could cause heart disease with no other factors?

The best answer is yes. As an example I was 46 years old and had a heart attack, I wouldn't be enjoying tractor by net today or seeing my children grow up if I was not trained, also a paramedic and emergency medical instructor, I had the big one that they call the widow maker. The week before I had my yearly physical exam, great health, cholesterol low, Blood Pressure great, EKG good with no abnormalities. Biggest risk factors for me were smoking and family history. My dad passed at age 60 from a heart attack but had his first at age 55. His dad passed at 47 years old. Family history biggest factor for me,
AHA teaches that some of the risk factors are age, family history, diet, smoking and sex ( not to little or to much but male more than female)

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   / Watcha eating? #283  
Don,

There a 3 risk factors you have no control over,
1) age
2) family history
3) sex.

So we need to watch those we can control like
diet,
smoking,
stress,
hypertension,
diabetes,

Prolonged periods of stress will cause your body to manufacture "bad" cholesterol as well as elevate blood pressure.

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   / Watcha eating? #284  
"The study said if your parents had not had a heart attack by age 60 or 70, don't worry about having one." - Dan

You have got to be kidding! A study really said that? Can you reference it for me? Both my parents are in their mid 80's with no heart attacks. I would like to personally contact the person who wrote that.

"My family has problems with dementia. Almost all of my family has had some sort of mental diminishment in their old age." - Dan
They were just talking about diet and the brain here:
Alzheimer's: Lower your risk by eating right - CBS News Video

No, I can't reference it, the story was in the WSJ in 2012 maybe 2011.

The Doctors statement was based on the odds of someone having a heart attack based on family history. Odds not certainty. The odds of me having a heart attack based on my family history is close to zero but not zero. It could happen just like I could win the lottery. :laughing::laughing::laughing: His major point was at the opposite end of the scale. People with a family history of heart attacks, especially when the parents had an episode in their 30's, 40's and 50's, had much higher odds of having a heart attack. They published the odds but I don't remember the numbers. Doctors need to dig into the family history and if they find heart attacks then they need to be a bit more concerned that their patient is more likely to have an attack and the doctor needs to treat accordingly.

I am hoping diet helps with dementia. But so far, the family history is saying that Dan has close to a 100% chance of going to Dementia Land irregardless of diet. Good news is that it won't happen until I am in my 70s and I have quite few years before that time. :laughing: The family does not seem to get Alzheimer's but some other form of dementia. Course it could be just getting old, but whatever the name, Dementia Land is not a place I want to visit though I seem to have a ticket for entry. I have had grand parents and great grand parents who have eaten very well and very poorly. Diet did not help their dementia. My great grandfather lived into his late 80s or early 90s and he was one of the fattest people I have ever seen. He was of German heritage, and I think it is safe to say, that he ate a lot of fat and carbs. :laughing: He also smoked. I can remember my cousin and I buying Papaw cigars even though we were both teenagers. :D Great grand paw had health problems because of his weight but his mind lasted far longer than his wife's. Mentally, he was in better shape than other family members at that age. Go Figure. :confused3:

Much of this is a roll of the dice. Some rolls will be in one's favor, and others, not so much.

Later,
Dan
 
   / Watcha eating? #286  
Know what is great! Being a adopted kid... absolutly no family history... roll of the dice for everything!

mark
 
   / Watcha eating? #287  
The best answer is yes. As an example I was 46 years old and had a heart attack, I wouldn't be enjoying tractor by net today or seeing my children grow up if I was not trained, also a paramedic and emergency medical instructor, I had the big one that they call the widow maker. The week before I had my yearly physical exam, great health, cholesterol low, Blood Pressure great, EKG good with no abnormalities. Biggest risk factors for me were smoking and family history. My dad passed at age 60 from a heart attack but had his first at age 55. His dad passed at 47 years old. Family history biggest factor for me,
AHA teaches that some of the risk factors are age, family history, diet, smoking and sex ( not to little or to much but male more than female)

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I have a family member who died last year. Thankfully he married into the family so I don't share his genes. :eek: Previous generations in his family, as well as his siblings, died early in life from heart attacks. I don't think any/many reached 60 and I can remember him saying he would be doing well to get into his 60s. He was in his late 60s or early 70s when he died. He lived far longer than most/many in his family but he did not have much of a life. Ironically, I don't think he had heart problems. :confused3: But he had at least three battles with cancer, two of which he won. The cancers were not lung related which was rather surprising. He had smoked most of his life but he had stopped decades ago, unfortunately his wife still smoked and he got Emphysema from second hand smoke. His diet would certainly not be considered a good one either but he was not overweight at all. While he was not overweight, just the opposite in fact, his sisters were VERY overweight and unfortunately one of his kids has gone down that the fat path.

Then there are the out of no where health problems. I had a friend who died last year from ALS. He was diagnosed 5-6 years ago and he lived a bit longer than the average. Nobody really understands ALS so who knows why he caught it. The previous year another friend had a brain cancer and he died quickly. Sometimes the die roll is just a bad one...

Later,
Dan
 
   / Watcha eating? #288  
Don,

...
Prolonged periods of stress will cause your body to manufacture "bad" cholesterol as well as elevate blood pressure.

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:laughing::laughing::laughing: There was a story in the WSJ this week or last about good and bad stress. They did a study about how people perceive stress and how this perception can make the stress bad or good. It really got down to how a person viewed the stress. I have found this to be true. My view on events can vastly change my stress level. It often is my choice on how to deal with stressful events and how I react. I worked with a guy for years who just could not deal with the job stresses. I and others tried to help him but he could not change they way he looked and reacted to events which really stressed him out. He ate a good diet, exercised, was not overweight, did not smoke, etc., which were all in his favor but he was and still is stressed out more than he should be.

I wish I had learned to deal with stress when I was younger. I have had jobs where I could feel my heart rate and blood pressure rise as I walked into the building...

Later,
Dan
 
   / Watcha eating? #289  
From NY Times today...interesting study on diet and heart disease

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/26/h...t-disease-study-finds.html?smid=pl-share&_r=0

DFB this was not a good study because the control group, the one that the Mediterranean was compared to, the one that was said to be low fat was not - it was from 39 percent to 37 percent Fat (Table S7, appendix). Anything over 30% is in the danger high fat zone according to the AHA.

Anything over 10% fat is in the Danger zone for those with active plaque forming heart disease according to all the Cardiologist I have spoken with.

A quote from the article you referenced:

"Dr. Esselstyn said those in the Mediterranean diet study still had heart attacks and strokes. So, he said, all the study showed was that “the Mediterranean diet and the horrible control diet were able to create disease in people who otherwise did not have it.”"

I'm for a diet that stops heart disease. This study proved that the Mediterranean diet did not and actually cause heart disease and strokes, according to Dr. Esselstyn and the results of the study itself.
 
   / Watcha eating? #290  
I took the kids to Steak and Shake tonight. We all left still hungry so we also got a dozen chicken wings from the Wal Mart hot foods dept. on the way home.
 

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