water 4 gas anyone look in to this.

[alchemysa]

LincVolt - Repowering the American Dream - Fueled by Design

Neil Young's project to get 100 mpg from a 2.5 ton 1959 Lincoln Continental. One of the guys on the team is from my home town here in Australia. I've heard him talking on the radio. Obviously a very smart guy.

Its laughable to think that technology breakthroughs will come from the big car makers as some people seem to think. It's the small, creative shops that can run on a shoestring and pursue a dream that come up with the truly great ideas.

 

[Iplayfarmer]

LincVolt - Repowering the American Dream - Fueled by Design

Neil Young's project to get 100 mpg from a 2.5 ton 1959 Lincoln Continental. One of the guys on the team is from my home town here in Australia. I've heard him talking on the radio. Obviously a very smart guy.

Its laughable to think that technology breakthroughs will come from the big car makers as some people seem to think. It's the small, creative shops that can run on a shoestring and pursue a dream that come up with the truly great ideas.

That's true to a large extent. It's the guy that doesn't have to justify his own job and schmooze to the corporate mentality that has the true freedom to innovate.

 

[HCb]

Sounds like Likity Split is the water 4 gas guy.

First, *real* simple, water is ash. It is the product of two chemicals (hydrogen and oxygen) combining in an exothermic reaction and acheiving a state of rest. You don't pull the ash out of your fire place and go and build a fire with it and cook a brisket in your smoker. Same thing. Granted, water is *convertable* ash; you can put it back into the same state it was in before (hydrogen and oxygen) but you have to *put* energy into it...it's a form of electrolysis. It's, supposedly, about 30% efficient. Some yahoo whackjob tried the idea of using high-frequency to cause the water to change back to its elements a few years ago. He died and his "ideas" and theories (hypotheses) have yet to be founded. I've tried it, just for grins. No luck. It's all a BS pipedream. I've seen units that take electricity from a vehicle to produce hydrogen and oxygen from water as a boost for gas mileage...but since the electricity comes from the alternator (burning fuel to do it) and since the alternator is not 100% efficient and since the electrolysis is not 100% efficient (possibly/maybe/probably the 30% I've read), it's a non-starter.

Rots o' ruck, GI. Say hi to the rabbit for me.

--HC

 

[Redneck in training]

Sounds like Likity Split is the water 4 gas guy.

First, *real* simple, water is ash. It is the product of two chemicals (hydrogen and oxygen) combining in an exothermic reaction and achieving a state of rest. You don't pull the ash out of your fire place and go and build a fire with it and cook a brisket in your smoker. Same thing. Granted, water is *convertible* ash; you can put it back into the same state it was in before (hydrogen and oxygen) but you have to *put* energy into it...it's a form of electrolysis. It's, supposedly, about 30% efficient. Some yahoo whackjob tried the idea of using high-frequency to cause the water to change back to its elements a few years ago. He died and his "ideas" and theories (hypotheses) have yet to be founded. I've tried it, just for grins. No luck. It's all a BS pipe-dream. I've seen units that take electricity from a vehicle to produce hydrogen and oxygen from water as a boost for gas mileage...but since the electricity comes from the alternator (burning fuel to do it) and since the alternator is not 100% efficient and since the electrolysis is not 100% efficient (possibly/maybe/probably the 30% I've read), it's a non-starter.

Rots o' ruck, GI. Say hi to the rabbit for me.

--HC

There are ways to increase efficiency of electrolysis of water to H and O using catalyst. Needles to say that none is even close to 100% efficient.
I just read few days ago there are promising new batteries under development that can store similar amount of energy per pound of mass as pound of gasoline. So it all boils down to source of energy. Hydrogen or battery is just a medium for transportation of energy.
I am still looking into wind energy for my house but it seems to me I will have to make the generator by myself to make it economically viable undertaking. It will be (even if not completely successful) fun retirement project.

 

[Ford tractor]

Good lord!

The price of fuel goes up and the scheisters, flim-flam men and the grifters all ply their art on the technologically illiterate.

It always takes more energy to dis-associate hydrogen and oxygen from water than you can get back by burning them. Always. It's been proven over and over again that "water 4 gas" and all the similar hokum is just that -- hokum at best and often outright fraud.

If you want improvements, keep the tires pumped up, the engine tuned, filters clean, the fluids fresh and synthetic if possible. Then keep the lead out of your right foot! Scientific tests by the EPA have shown a variation of +/- 30% in fuel economy directly due to operator. While I don't generally endorse the government, the EPA has tested over 100 mileage improvement gizmos with only the best few showing any promise and those are just above the minimum to show a slight statistical significance.

 

[podieroe]

ok, let be fair, the guy asked a straight question, .. i am not an engineer, nor a chemist, infact i'm a prosthetic technician, wich is a simple fabricator. hydrogen and oxygen want to bind together through bonds i do not fully understand, but they do. it requires more energy to break these bonds than the energy you get from burning the hydrogen. ie: noone as yet has a proven method to make it pratical. Youmight be the one to discover an efficient method, but i suggest you research the pocess on your own and steer clear of these "secret discoveries", if it worked, don't ya think exxon or some other energy giant woulda jumped on it?

 

[podieroe]

ok, let be fair, the guy asked a straight question, .. i am not an engineer, nor a chemist, infact i'm a prosthetic technician, wich is a simple fabricator. hydrogen and oxygen want to bind together through bonds i do not fully understand, but they do. it requires more energy to break these bonds than the energy you get from burning the hydrogen. ie: no one as yet has a proven method to make it practical. You might be the one to discover an efficient method, but i suggest you research the pocess on your own and steer clear of these "secret discoveries", if it worked, don't ya think exxon or some other energy giant woulda jumped on it?

 

[Redneck in training]

It all boils down to source of energy. In example solar energy. Then you can produce hydrogen and oxygen in a electro hydrolyzer. All this can be done DIY. Storage of the hydrogen is much harder problem though. In example compression will eat another large chunk of energy. Then add low efficiency of combustion engine etc.
The better way is to develop efficient and durable battery, charge it by whatever energy you have available etc.
We just recently added 24kW PV system to our house. I still have room for about 32 panels on the racking so when the electric cars become cheaper and their range increases I will just add the capacity for charging the batteries.

 

[turnkey4099]

It all boils down to source of energy. In example solar energy. Then you can produce hydrogen and oxygen in a electro hydrolyzer. All this can be done DIY. Storage of the hydrogen is much harder problem though. In example compression will eat another large chunk of energy. Then add low efficiency of combustion engine etc.
The better way is to develop efficient and durable battery, charge it by whatever energy you have available etc.
We just recently added 24kW PV system to our house. I still have room for about 32 panels on the racking so when the electric cars become cheaper and their range increases I will just add the capacity for charging the batteries.

Ah, the dream of an all electric. Sadly for me I wouild need two cars (or rent one occasionally) 90% of my driving anymore would be easily taken with the current electrics. Anohter 8% would be covered by only slighty more battery capacity (60 mile round trips). The other 2% would have to be by IC vehicle.

The current price of them put them out of the "economic" equation though.

Harry K

 

[City Farmer]

Here's something to look at. DETROIT: Ford, Daimler, Nissan to research hydrogen cars - Business Breaking News - MiamiHerald.com
Its not here yet but I bet in our lifetime your going to see a huge change in what we drive our engines of the future with. I have no idea what its going to be but its coming like a freight train weather we like it or not because of pollution.. These companies are trying to get out in front and take the lead to make billions. Look at some of these pictures of China. https://www.google.com/search?q=bei...aL0QGikYGQDA&ved=0CDAQsAQ&biw=480&bih=268#p=0

China like India only have a fraction of their population driving and they can't deal with the smog. Hopefully an American company can lead the way and get our people back to work.