Water For Fuel??????????

buickanddeere · Mar 17, 2015

zzvyb6 said:
For those of you who are still awake, I'd like to point out that the Chevy Volt was originally intended to be supplemented by a hydrogen powered direct convert fuel cell to extend the range. In a similar twist, (just like what happened to the GM EV-1) certain states (one comes to mind that begins with a "C") promised/commited to have quite a few hydrogen fueling stations in place by start of Volt production (SOP in automotive vernacular). But guess what ?

Same with the EV-1 (the all electric demo ride) . The same "C" state promised to having electric Quik-Charge stations scattered around the state. Anybody wanna guess how that ended up ?

I'm trying to remember the internal project name for the hydrogen Volt deal. BMW and GM did a joint venture together on that deal. I worked on the chassis side of things back then. A last minute panic set in when the pony motor range extender had to be implemented. The vehicle was originally an all wheel drive 'platform' that would have entertained a pickup box version, too. Instead its a Malibu with a golf cart powertrain, a BIG battery case, and a lawn tractor engine.

Pretty close. The Malibu is built on the Epsilon platform. The Volt and Cruise were on the old Delta II Platform . The new Cruze, the 2016 Volt and the new Chev Equinox and GMC Terrain are on the new D2XXor D2UX platforms.

MossRoad · Mar 17, 2015

k0ua said:
There is no doubt in my mind what the gentleman saw in the truck was an crude hydrogen generator. Sure it can make a little. Not near enough to run the truck 60 miles an hour down the road with a load. Why do people think that electricity made by an alternator is free and limitless?

Oh, it just takes a little to generate hundreds of cubic feet of gas at STP (Standard Temprature and Pressure) right? Yeah right. That is why real hydrogen cars have very high pressure tanks to carry enough highly compressed gas to power them some distance. Yep a few bubbles in a few jars and you are "good to go".. Uh huh.!

To be honest with all of you, I am appalled by the lack of understanding of basic scientific principals today. It truly is a failure of our school systems. Even though I attended a very small rural school disctrict many years ago, I learned some basic science, and match. I also learned to type. I am sure much to the chagrin of some!

I did not too well in English class though.

If you read up on the home made hydrogen generators, they aren't trying to run the car entirely, or even 99% on hydrogen. Their theory is the hydrogen (what little there is from their generators) improves the combustion efficiency of the gasoline and they get better mileage.

k0ua · Mar 17, 2015

MossRoad said:
If you read up on the home made hydrogen generators, they aren't trying to run the car entirely, or even 99% on hydrogen. Their theory is the hydrogen (what little there is from their generators) improves the combustion efficiency of the gasoline and they get better mileage.

Yes, that is the theory. BUT how do you PROVE, you are getting better mileage? Just say you are? How do we know what the vehicle was getting, an is now getting with this wonderful hydrogen gas generator. That pulls current from the alternator, and makes it harder to spin which reduces mileage.

MossRoad · Mar 17, 2015

k0ua said:
Yes, that is the theory. BUT how do you PROVE, you are getting better mileage? Just say you are? How do we know what the vehicle was getting, an is now getting with this wonderful hydrogen gas generator. That pulls current from the alternator, and makes it harder to spin which reduces mileage.

Oh, I know, I know. No free lunch. But maybe a better meal for the same price. :laughing: