we are a dying breed
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flying m
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Re: we are a dyeing breed
Well, I’ve read the posts and there is much contention on whether the problem is parents, kid’s society or regulations. While I do think that we can be over regulated, but most of the regulations on the books are for the good of hunting and fishing. Sure we don’t like being told how to live but with the crap going on in the country right now we ought to be glad that there is still a provision to hunt and fish. I do disagree with some of the rules and they are based on management cost for a certain hunting area (Arizona) but this could be belabored all day so I’m going to say my bit about the kids. Isn’t this how the thread started?
My kids grew up hunting and fishing and they still do today, however, they now live in the city and only come out occasionally to hunt and fish though they love it when they do. My grandkids stay with us a couple of times a year and they are normal “today’s” kids in that they have the video games, TV and whatnot. The first couple of days they ask frequently about watching TV or playing video games. On the computer that is as I don’t have a game console. We let them play for about half an hour during the day and in the evening once supper is put away and they’re in their pajamas, we all unwind in front of the TV for a while then it’s off to bed. After a couple days, they don’t even ask anymore. Sure it’s a bit of adjustment as the closest home to mine is a mile away so we truly live in the boonies but they understand that it’s just the way it is. After a few days they even, wait…wait… use their imagination to build forts, go looking for bugs, help in the garden, help nama bake cookies, help papa around the ranch, spend time with the horses and such and quit asking about the TV and video!
The kids today can be saved as can hunting, fishing, golf, etc. but it’s going to take commitment on the adults who have a say in how these kids develop. Come on let’s get involved. OK I’m done.
Well, I’ve read the posts and there is much contention on whether the problem is parents, kid’s society or regulations. While I do think that we can be over regulated, but most of the regulations on the books are for the good of hunting and fishing. Sure we don’t like being told how to live but with the crap going on in the country right now we ought to be glad that there is still a provision to hunt and fish. I do disagree with some of the rules and they are based on management cost for a certain hunting area (Arizona) but this could be belabored all day so I’m going to say my bit about the kids. Isn’t this how the thread started?
My kids grew up hunting and fishing and they still do today, however, they now live in the city and only come out occasionally to hunt and fish though they love it when they do. My grandkids stay with us a couple of times a year and they are normal “today’s” kids in that they have the video games, TV and whatnot. The first couple of days they ask frequently about watching TV or playing video games. On the computer that is as I don’t have a game console. We let them play for about half an hour during the day and in the evening once supper is put away and they’re in their pajamas, we all unwind in front of the TV for a while then it’s off to bed. After a couple days, they don’t even ask anymore. Sure it’s a bit of adjustment as the closest home to mine is a mile away so we truly live in the boonies but they understand that it’s just the way it is. After a few days they even, wait…wait… use their imagination to build forts, go looking for bugs, help in the garden, help nama bake cookies, help papa around the ranch, spend time with the horses and such and quit asking about the TV and video!
The kids today can be saved as can hunting, fishing, golf, etc. but it’s going to take commitment on the adults who have a say in how these kids develop. Come on let’s get involved. OK I’m done.
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Re: we are a dyeing breed
Very good post. Some of our grandkids spent the last two summers with us and we limited TV and computer time and required them to spend most of the time outside playing, this was done in consultation with their parents. This weekend we had some kids and grandkids over, we all went outside to play ball, walk in the woods etc.
We are fortunate enough to own enough land for our family to enjoy the outdoors often now, but even when we lived in the city, we drove out to the country as often as we could.
Love of the outdoors must often be instilled by the parents and it makes no difference to me if it is hunting, fishing, hiking, rock climbing, skiiing, birdwatching or whatever.
Very good post. Some of our grandkids spent the last two summers with us and we limited TV and computer time and required them to spend most of the time outside playing, this was done in consultation with their parents. This weekend we had some kids and grandkids over, we all went outside to play ball, walk in the woods etc.
We are fortunate enough to own enough land for our family to enjoy the outdoors often now, but even when we lived in the city, we drove out to the country as often as we could.
Love of the outdoors must often be instilled by the parents and it makes no difference to me if it is hunting, fishing, hiking, rock climbing, skiiing, birdwatching or whatever.
dave1949
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Re: we are a dyeing breed
A lot has to do with the environment kids live in. Most TBN posters live in rural areas, which tends to skew the perception that the "outdoors" is just beyond your front door and all you have to do is open it. That's only true for a relatively small number of people.
That doesn't change the outdoor opportunities for rural folks, but it certainly affects the broader consensus, perceptions and outcomes nationally. Economically, many rural areas are the poor welfare cousins to urban centers.
Only 20.8% of the population lives in rural areas and 68.5% live in areas with a population 50,000 and up (2000 US Census):
[Archived] U.S. Population Living in Urban vs. Rural Areas - Metropolitan Planning - Archives - Census Issues - Planning - FHWA
The urbanization trend has continued since 2000.
Census: Maine most rural state in 2010 as urban centers grow nationwide — Business — Bangor Daily News — BDN Maine
"According to the Census Bureau, the country’s urban population increased by 12.1 percent from 2000 to 2010, outpacing the nation’s overall growth rate of 9.7 percent for the same period."
“Urban areas — defined as densely developed residential, commercial and other nonresidential areas — now account for 80.7 percent of the U.S. population, up from 79.0 percent in 2000,” the bureau said in a release. “Although the rural population — the population in any areas outside of those classified as ‘urban’ — grew by a modest amount from 2000 to 2010, it continued to decline as a percentage of the national population.”
Note: Current US Census data is not directly available due to the shutdown.
A lot has to do with the environment kids live in. Most TBN posters live in rural areas, which tends to skew the perception that the "outdoors" is just beyond your front door and all you have to do is open it. That's only true for a relatively small number of people.
That doesn't change the outdoor opportunities for rural folks, but it certainly affects the broader consensus, perceptions and outcomes nationally. Economically, many rural areas are the poor welfare cousins to urban centers.
Only 20.8% of the population lives in rural areas and 68.5% live in areas with a population 50,000 and up (2000 US Census):
[Archived] U.S. Population Living in Urban vs. Rural Areas - Metropolitan Planning - Archives - Census Issues - Planning - FHWA
The urbanization trend has continued since 2000.
Census: Maine most rural state in 2010 as urban centers grow nationwide — Business — Bangor Daily News — BDN Maine
"According to the Census Bureau, the country’s urban population increased by 12.1 percent from 2000 to 2010, outpacing the nation’s overall growth rate of 9.7 percent for the same period."
“Urban areas — defined as densely developed residential, commercial and other nonresidential areas — now account for 80.7 percent of the U.S. population, up from 79.0 percent in 2000,” the bureau said in a release. “Although the rural population — the population in any areas outside of those classified as ‘urban’ — grew by a modest amount from 2000 to 2010, it continued to decline as a percentage of the national population.”
Note: Current US Census data is not directly available due to the shutdown.
TomSeller
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These days they are often divorced too.
300UGUY
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Re: we are a dyeing breed
When we moved out here, we were told that you needed to bring your money with you. There are very few jobs here that pay well enough to afford to live here. A lot of my neighbors commute 100+ miles per day. I did for years. There are a few very large farms, and a few small manufacturing plants, but they only pay minimum wage. And it hasn't changed a bit in almost 30 years.
When we moved out here, we were told that you needed to bring your money with you. There are very few jobs here that pay well enough to afford to live here. A lot of my neighbors commute 100+ miles per day. I did for years. There are a few very large farms, and a few small manufacturing plants, but they only pay minimum wage. And it hasn't changed a bit in almost 30 years.
dave1949
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Re: we are a dyeing breed
That's certainly true here also if you replace the large farms with large timberland holdings. The only thing that has changed is, it's getting worse.
Many rural residents who complain about welfare are living on welfare themselves in the form of state and federal revenue sharing programs. Some of Southern Maine's wealth gets "redistributed" to the north, for example. I imagine many places are similar.
The whys and wherefores, good or ultimately evil of this fact, is a good topic of conversation.
That's certainly true here also if you replace the large farms with large timberland holdings. The only thing that has changed is, it's getting worse.
Many rural residents who complain about welfare are living on welfare themselves in the form of state and federal revenue sharing programs. Some of Southern Maine's wealth gets "redistributed" to the north, for example. I imagine many places are similar.
The whys and wherefores, good or ultimately evil of this fact, is a good topic of conversation.
txdon
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Re: we are a dyeing breed
Good post Flying M.
When My niece visits the farm she texts 90% of the time and sleeps 10% of the time. Even when I get them to go for a hike in the woods she runs into trees while texting.:confused3:
Good post Flying M.
When My niece visits the farm she texts 90% of the time and sleeps 10% of the time. Even when I get them to go for a hike in the woods she runs into trees while texting.:confused3:
TomSeller
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Don't go walking near any cliffs.
These days you see these big houses being built. Family pulls up in their car, garage door opens, then closes. No swing set in the yard, no tree houses, no bicycles. Family never out in the yard. Landscape company mows the grass and does the flower beds. When you do see the boys they are often chubby and run like girls. Later you see the parents hauling the kids to some paid for activity after another. Then the kid gets to high school and parents give them an expensive car they did not pay for themselves. Much later they look for a job and think they can go straight to the CEO position.
txdon
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Re: we are a dyeing breed
Looks like "Sportsmen" need to:
1. Incorporate more electronics to attract the next generation.
2. Many farms will have to allow access to the thousands of kids, that don't have access to open land, and train them how to use guns.
3. Provide government paid transportation, meals and equipment so all disadvantaged children are included.
That's never going to happen. RIP - Sportsman.
Looks like "Sportsmen" need to:
1. Incorporate more electronics to attract the next generation.
2. Many farms will have to allow access to the thousands of kids, that don't have access to open land, and train them how to use guns.
3. Provide government paid transportation, meals and equipment so all disadvantaged children are included.
That's never going to happen. RIP - Sportsman.