we are a dying breed

[Circle W]

Re: we are a dyeing breed

My generation would be the one that is the topic of the post...but fortunately I don't think I accurately portray my generations same values. You can give me a fishing pole and a .22, and you won't see me til it's time for supper! I read somewhere on the first few pages of this thread that people were pointing to the way kids are not allowed to leave the house unsupervised, and this is probably the reason why. I think there are a lot of parents out there who use video games and such as baby sitters which is another downfall. But I think the biggest problem is people moving into the cities. City kids can't just pick up a .22 and run out the door, unless they want to be arrested. I was fortunate enough to have always live on a dirt road well far away from town. A statistic I keep hearing here on campus is that the average family is now 5 or 6 (not sure which) generations removed from the "family farm." Much of society has forgotten its agricutural past to the point where they seriously do not know where or how there food is produced. I saw an article the other day in which a lady said, "To all you hunters who kill animals for food, shame on you; you ought to go to the store and buy the meat that was made there, where no animals were harmed." At first, I thought it was a joke. But after seeing example after example of kids on campus who make similiar ignorant comments, I realized that she was serious. But like they say "ignorance is bliss," right?

 

[Circle W]

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I don't have respect for the hunting farms. Those that feed the game animals all year and let them out for the city slicker fat cat to shoot. That is not hunting.

What's the difference between shooting a "hunting farm" buck eating out of a feeder and a "wild" buck eating out of a feeder?

 

[ultrarunner]

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My Grandparents had the family farm and I'm thankful as a city kid that I could spend time with them... one year it was all summer...

My cousins were thrilled that someone actually wanted to bring in the grass for the morning feed and help with the hay...

I just wanted tractor time and at 10 years old I was in heaven...

They even had an old 1 cylinder diesel with a hand crank that still ran... something like 15hp. When it was cold it needed a bunt to start.

We have wild turkeys where I live and parents are very upset the city has not stepped in to get rid of them... those turkeys could attack children... this is what is being said honest.

Several of my cousins still farm...

A couple of summers ago we visited one of them... they really wanted to see us except they were butchering a hog and making sausage that day...

My brother said we shouldn't go because it would upset his girl’s ages7, 9 and 11.

Those girls enjoyed the time with their second cousins and begged their parents to stay for dinner... their second cousins said tonight is the one time all year they could have as much sausage as they wanted...

All I remember was calls for more sausage please...

My sister and law and I cranked out about 200 lbs that afternoon with the kids helping.

My point is the perceived problem is often not with the kids... it is more with the parents.

 

[gwdixon]

Re: we are a dyeing breed

My Grandparents had the family farm and I'm thankful as a city kid that I could spend time with them... one year it was all summer...

My cousins were thrilled that someone actually wanted to bring in the grass for the morning feed and help with the hay...

I just wanted tractor time and at 10 years old I was in heaven...

They even had an old 1 cylinder diesel with a hand crank that still ran... something like 15hp. When it was cold it needed a bunt to start.

We have wild turkeys where I live and parents are very upset the city has not stepped in to get rid of them... those turkeys could attack children... this is what is being said honest.

Several of my cousins still farm...

A couple of summers ago we visited one of them... they really wanted to see us except they were butchering a hog and making sausage that day...

My brother said we shouldn't go because it would upset his girl’s ages7, 9 and 11.

Those girls enjoyed the time with their second cousins and begged their parents to stay for dinner... their second cousins said tonight is the one time all year they could have as much sausage as they wanted...

All I remember was calls for more sausage please...

My sister and law and I cranked out about 200 lbs that afternoon with the kids helping.

My point is the perceived problem is often not with the kids... it is more with the parents.

Couldn't agree more with only one caveat.

It is important to note how few kids, or parents for that matter, have access to a farm and farm life. That is a big part of the issue being discussed in this thread.

Even seeing it on TV is not the same. Think "Alaska: The Last Frontier" TV program.

 

[teejk]

Re: we are a dyeing breed

Couldn't agree more with only one caveat.

It is important to note how few kids, or parents for that matter, have access to a farm and farm life. That is a big part of the issue being discussed in this thread.

Even seeing it on TV is not the same. Think "Alaska: The Last Frontier" TV program.

Back in the day, farms were smaller and had several smaller fields with fence rows and trees that held pheasants and other goodies. Now a combine leaves the house and travels several miles before it turns around. We have the land and make money as a country by feeding the world. So hunting is pretty much limited to elbow to elbow public ground or private lease. Fishing??? I get dizzy reading the regulations here because it is micro-managed in terms of species, bag limits, size limits etc., all pretty much a lake by lake thing (and we have about 9,500 of them).

I used to grab my 16ga Browning after school and walk down a village street until I got 1 mile south and picked up the snowmobile trail through the marsh that 3 miles later got me to grandma's house where I got fed and a ride home. I never shot much but it was a nice walk and grandma was always happy to see me. She actually suckered me into picking wild grapes on the fence rows for days because she wanted to make wine (she didn't even drink) but something from her youth triggered it (I get those triggers lately...waffles anybody? how about spaetzel? how about country style pork ribs and sour kraut? butter bean casserole?...my wife hated all those things and shakes her head when I get a trigger...and because she never ate any of that stuff as a kid, I don't seem to have any left-overs).

 

[charlz]

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Most Maine hunting laws that decide what are legal hunting methods and what are not, involve the idea of "fair chase." There is supposed to be fair chase, or some measure of skillful hunting involved.

Yep, pretty much the same thing out here. You can bait bears and use dogs for mountain lion but other than that it is 'fair chase'. All the talk of food plots for hunting etc you see on here don't happen in this part of the country as it is illegal. There are a few 'games farms' where you can pay to shoot a tame elk in a pasture and they will gut it and load it in your truck for you... but that is not hunting.

 

[sam5570]

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Sorry - but I've just been "dying" to say "dyeing" is about coloring. To say we are a "dyeing" breed is to say we all love to color things

you know you are exactly right but let me ask you what difference does it make as long as the point get across? i can't spell very well as everyone here know's but no one ever ask me to explain. i was milking cows feeding chickens and hunting and fishing while you were in [scool] making fun of people who were not as smart as you.

 

[Egbert]

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"...what difference does it make..."

Well, frankly, it makes a lot of difference. That, however, was not the intent of my post.

I was simply seizing the opportunity to post a smidgeon of humor. There is no necessity for a defensive response.

 

[jonathco]

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>Ask yourself how the kids get the devices.
>Ask who turns on the TV to act as a babysitter.
>Ask who doesn't model expected behavior.

There are many more things to ask. The answer to all can be found in the mirror.

Boy, that's the truth. I've got two young ones at home (a girl 4yrs old and a boy 2 yrs old) and some of my daughter's friends from church already have their own laptops! Talk about setting them up to fail... Our kids rarely watch TV; I won't let their brains rot sitting in front of a device that encourages them not to think for themselves. We fish together, when they're older we'll hunt together, and you better believe we spend time plowing, discing, and cultivating the garden together on our little garden tractor.

We've lost something in my generation; younger dads in my age group (late 20's) don't teach their kids the value of being outdoors, working hard, and enjoying nature. Whether it's fishing or working around the yard, we need more of it instilled in our children.

 

[Pilot]

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Didn't read all the responses, but I didn't see the biggie: Divorce. Mom gets the kids, she doesn't fish or hunt, the kids don't get exposed to the outdoors.