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Eddie, that would make a neat design built by lake Marabou with an added fire pit/ grill. or a design similar. That is nice craftsmanship.
Wedding Pavilion that I'm building.
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Eddie,
Do you have a 'Branding Iron' with your name and contact information on it to autograph your work? Your 'Craftsmanship' is shining Brightly!
Don
Do you have a 'Branding Iron' with your name and contact information on it to autograph your work? Your 'Craftsmanship' is shining Brightly!
Don
CurlyDave
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I think a similar structure next to Lake Marabou might steal some of the customer's wedding business.
The only negative feature of the pavilion you are building is that the backdrop -- horse barn on one side, garage on the other, horse pasture behind, is not as scenic as many brides would like.
I am not in Texas, so I don't see the fascination with horses that some there have, but I know my daughter would not be very happy about having her wedding next to a horse pasture, especially with the non-photogenic buildings around the pasture. But, give her the option of a pavilion on a nice-looking private lake and the interest level would go way up.
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Wow, Dave! You and I are on the same wavelength here. This is no way a negative to Eddie's work, but the owner's selection of the location leaves a lot to be desired because of that house and garage/barn in the background. As a matter of fact, I wondered if that property was the owner or a neighbor? Perhaps some some hedge or flowering shrubs would be best to give that angle a more photogenic appeal. I think in Texas there will be lots of brides who would like a semi-cowboy wedding with a view of horses, but manure control and keeping a pleasant backdrop for pictures will be needed for added success. These are all things that Eddie can't really control. He's done the best he can do, and it's up to the owners to see and fix the rest.
EDIT: I looked at Eddie's last pictures again and saw something interesting. The picture of the corner post also shows what looks like sprinklers installed behind the pavillion. I'd bet there are plans for some landscaping there that may do just what Dave and I are talking about.
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EddieWalker
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Yes, the landscaping is going in as I'm finishing up the pavilion. The idea is to screen off the other buildings and focus your attention on the pavilion. The red barn to the left is the neighbors place, and they can't do anything about that. The big, tan colored barn is theirs, and it's going to get cleaned up. Right now, there is a crew working on the inside, and when the weather improves, they will do something with the outside. I've been told that I'll build the front porch and do all that work, but the roof and siding is being done by another guy.
While standing in front of the pavilion, you really don't notice the other buildings, but when looking off at an angle, they are in the background. It really is a very nice setting, and when I post my finished pictures, you'll see what I mean.
It's raining today, and I'm almost done with the railing. That is the last thing that I have to do to finish it off before staining it. I have the wood in my shop right now to build the beams for the arbor. I'm rounding off the top of it to give it a unique look that I haven't seen before. I'm sure there are plenty like it, but I couldn't find a picture to show my client what I wanted to do. I sketched it up and she liked my drawing, but really, she's just trusting me to come up with something nice that the bride can walk through on her way to the pavilion.
I'm also putting in a flagstoen walkway. This was my original plan that I submitted to them, but they didn't want any rock. For whatever reason, they just don't like rock. They said that they don't have any, and didn't want to introduce it to their landscaping because it would clash with their brick and block. It was going to be pavers, then decomposed granite, then concrete, then stamped concrete. Over the weekend, they decided that they wanted flagstone. They found a supplier with some very large flagstone, which is now what I'll be installing. I haven't seen it yet, but because of the amount of grass and topsoil that I have to remove, I'll be renting a skidseer to get it all done.
Eddie
While standing in front of the pavilion, you really don't notice the other buildings, but when looking off at an angle, they are in the background. It really is a very nice setting, and when I post my finished pictures, you'll see what I mean.
It's raining today, and I'm almost done with the railing. That is the last thing that I have to do to finish it off before staining it. I have the wood in my shop right now to build the beams for the arbor. I'm rounding off the top of it to give it a unique look that I haven't seen before. I'm sure there are plenty like it, but I couldn't find a picture to show my client what I wanted to do. I sketched it up and she liked my drawing, but really, she's just trusting me to come up with something nice that the bride can walk through on her way to the pavilion.
I'm also putting in a flagstoen walkway. This was my original plan that I submitted to them, but they didn't want any rock. For whatever reason, they just don't like rock. They said that they don't have any, and didn't want to introduce it to their landscaping because it would clash with their brick and block. It was going to be pavers, then decomposed granite, then concrete, then stamped concrete. Over the weekend, they decided that they wanted flagstone. They found a supplier with some very large flagstone, which is now what I'll be installing. I haven't seen it yet, but because of the amount of grass and topsoil that I have to remove, I'll be renting a skidseer to get it all done.
Eddie
The Dougster
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Now, now Dave... to read your post suggests all Texuns are horse crazy.... No Sir, I have been Texun for many, many years and wouldn't have a horse... doggone money pits are what they are. 
CurlyDave
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Now, now Dave... to read your post suggests all Texuns are horse crazy.... No Sir, I have been Texun for many, many years and wouldn't have a horse... doggone money pits are what they are.
Back when I worked, a bunch of us were eating lunch together and one of the higher-paid guys mentioned that he had just bought a horse for his 16 year old daughter. I asked how much a horse cost and he said "$14,000".
I just looked at him in amazement and said "You could have bought a Toyota." Almost everyone agreed that a Toyota would have been a lot more useful than a horse.
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One of my High School buddies has a daughter in CA who competes jumping horses. Her mom was married to some guy with more money then sense, and bought her a horse from Argentina for $100,000
Now that they have divorced, she wants to sell that horse, but nobody has the cash to pay for it. So in the meantime, my buddy gets to pay a couple grand a month to keep the horse happy while his daughter competes with it. He says it's nothing but a big money pit too, but she's supposidly really good, and if the horse sells, she has offers to ride other peoples horses.
I like horses that other people own and that I don't have to ride them. I've done 20 mile trips into the wilderness a few times to hunt elk, but otherwise, I don't want to be on one!!!
Eddie
Now that they have divorced, she wants to sell that horse, but nobody has the cash to pay for it. So in the meantime, my buddy gets to pay a couple grand a month to keep the horse happy while his daughter competes with it. He says it's nothing but a big money pit too, but she's supposidly really good, and if the horse sells, she has offers to ride other peoples horses.
I like horses that other people own and that I don't have to ride them. I've done 20 mile trips into the wilderness a few times to hunt elk, but otherwise, I don't want to be on one!!!
Eddie
CurlyDave
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Jiminy! A couple grand a month.
What does a $100k horse eat? My whole family doesn't cost that much to keep fed.
What does a $100k horse eat? My whole family doesn't cost that much to keep fed.
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To quote Lyle -- "oh that's right you're not from Texas" .....sorry.
oh --and if you have to ask Lyle who? -- that just confirms it
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Money. In whatever form it may be, it's still M-O-N-E-Y.
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Eddie-
I just found your post and read through it. This project is really amazing. I think this is some of the best craftsmanship I have seen on any project on TBN. I really like the trusses with the curved support pieces. What color are they going to stain it? It would be a nice site for a weding as lon as they muck out the pasture before the wedding! Thanks for posting all the pictures. - Mike
I just found your post and read through it. This project is really amazing. I think this is some of the best craftsmanship I have seen on any project on TBN. I really like the trusses with the curved support pieces. What color are they going to stain it? It would be a nice site for a weding as lon as they muck out the pasture before the wedding! Thanks for posting all the pictures. - Mike
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Thanks Mike.
They gave me a list of what colors they want it stained with the main building to be a fairly basic brown. Not too dark or light. I get worried when it comes to color on anything. I've done some additions and remodels where the clients just ruined the rooms with the paint choices. The wife mentioned doing the panels in a differet shade then the posts, and doing allot of different stain color on different parts of it. I told her that is fine if that's what she wants, but to consider how busy it will look. It might look terrible if we did that and I really felt that one stain color will allow the features to stand out on their own without overpowering anybody. She agreed and we're back to a simple stainjob except for the medalion. That will get three colors. Dark, light and the same medium brown of the rest of the pavilion.
If the rain holds off, I should have the railing done today. With what I've done so far, it really changes the entire look of it.
Eddie
They gave me a list of what colors they want it stained with the main building to be a fairly basic brown. Not too dark or light. I get worried when it comes to color on anything. I've done some additions and remodels where the clients just ruined the rooms with the paint choices. The wife mentioned doing the panels in a differet shade then the posts, and doing allot of different stain color on different parts of it. I told her that is fine if that's what she wants, but to consider how busy it will look. It might look terrible if we did that and I really felt that one stain color will allow the features to stand out on their own without overpowering anybody. She agreed and we're back to a simple stainjob except for the medalion. That will get three colors. Dark, light and the same medium brown of the rest of the pavilion.
If the rain holds off, I should have the railing done today. With what I've done so far, it really changes the entire look of it.
Eddie
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The weather has really slowed me down. Five days of temsp that never got above freezing, then rain befor that, and rain since then has only allowed me to put in 78 hours in the last three weeks. I've been able to do other things for some of my other clients to keep busy and to make a buck.
The original bid did not include the railing. I've found that clients like to get all fancy on the railing, then back off when they see what it costs. I've been working with them on various options and for awhile there, we had decided on iron panels with wood posts between them and either a finial on top of the post or a light of some kind. There was allot of deciding on the fly, and waiting until we got there to make the decicision.
When I told them that I was going to order the panels, the husband told me to hold on. He wanted to change the railing. He felt that the metal was too much and he wanted the railing to be wood. We waited until just a few weeks ago, and he decided that he wanted metal tubing from Lowes with wood on the bottom and top. I told him how much, and he said to go for it.
I modified his idea by replacing the wood posts for support, and using threaded rod through the middle of the tubing. I drilled through the deck and double nutted them on the bottom. I also cut the tubings for the railing to fit under the bottom for support.
The washers kind of stand out, but like the brackets, they will get painted brown and covered in stain to help them blend in. I can't make them disapear, but I can make them something that you wont' notice unless you are looking for them.
I used a forstner bit to drill out for the bolts on the top and then screwd it all together.
The short sections and the corner sections are very solid. The long, 15ft 6in back section has some give to it. I used 5/8's threaded rod there, as it's the biggest size that I coudl fit in the tubing. It's very tight, but with the distance being so long, it will move on you if you lean against it. It's there, but not very bad and I don't think most people wil even notice it.
I've already started on the arbor and should have it and the stairs done this week. We'er expecting another storm on Thursday, so that might be another delay. Then next week, I'm putting in a flagstone walkway. They found some oversized flagstones that are are too big to lay flat on a pallet. They are stacked on edge, and I'm still unsure how the heck I'm going to deal with getting them from being on edge, to being flat.
After the walkway is done, I'll clean all the wood, sand parts of it, and then stain it. I told them that I've never stained anything quite like this, and don't have a good idea of what it will cost them. If I do it, it's hourly. They said that it's my job, and will pay whatever it takes to do it right.
Gotta love it when you get great clients!!!!
Eddie
The original bid did not include the railing. I've found that clients like to get all fancy on the railing, then back off when they see what it costs. I've been working with them on various options and for awhile there, we had decided on iron panels with wood posts between them and either a finial on top of the post or a light of some kind. There was allot of deciding on the fly, and waiting until we got there to make the decicision.
When I told them that I was going to order the panels, the husband told me to hold on. He wanted to change the railing. He felt that the metal was too much and he wanted the railing to be wood. We waited until just a few weeks ago, and he decided that he wanted metal tubing from Lowes with wood on the bottom and top. I told him how much, and he said to go for it.
I modified his idea by replacing the wood posts for support, and using threaded rod through the middle of the tubing. I drilled through the deck and double nutted them on the bottom. I also cut the tubings for the railing to fit under the bottom for support.
The washers kind of stand out, but like the brackets, they will get painted brown and covered in stain to help them blend in. I can't make them disapear, but I can make them something that you wont' notice unless you are looking for them.
I used a forstner bit to drill out for the bolts on the top and then screwd it all together.
The short sections and the corner sections are very solid. The long, 15ft 6in back section has some give to it. I used 5/8's threaded rod there, as it's the biggest size that I coudl fit in the tubing. It's very tight, but with the distance being so long, it will move on you if you lean against it. It's there, but not very bad and I don't think most people wil even notice it.
I've already started on the arbor and should have it and the stairs done this week. We'er expecting another storm on Thursday, so that might be another delay. Then next week, I'm putting in a flagstone walkway. They found some oversized flagstones that are are too big to lay flat on a pallet. They are stacked on edge, and I'm still unsure how the heck I'm going to deal with getting them from being on edge, to being flat.
After the walkway is done, I'll clean all the wood, sand parts of it, and then stain it. I told them that I've never stained anything quite like this, and don't have a good idea of what it will cost them. If I do it, it's hourly. They said that it's my job, and will pay whatever it takes to do it right.
Gotta love it when you get great clients!!!!
Eddie
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dcyrilc
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Very nicely done. I'll make sure I don't show these pictures to my wife... she'll want one. LOL
CurlyDave
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They found some oversized flagstones that are are too big to lay flat on a pallet. They are stacked on edge, and I'm still unsure how the heck I'm going to deal with getting them from being on edge, to being flat.
Eddie:
I dealt with that situation about a month ago with a pallet of flagstones that were 5' x 5' and 1 1/2" thick.
I used adjustable cargo straps to hold all but one of the flagstones upright, another strap around the bunch and the end one, and then cut the metal banding. They all stayed upright, and then we loosened the strap on the end one and carried it off. We worked our way through the stack, making sure the remainder stayed upright and took them one at a time.
One broke on us while it was vertical and pieces came crashing down. Be careful and be aware this can happen. Steel toed boots.
You need something very strong to support the stack while you take it apart. Maybe the FEL on a tractor.
We had two strong guys, and a geezer (me). You need two guys to disassemble the stack one one to stand back and make sure the operation is safe...
Hope this is clear. I can elaborate if you don't understand something.
Eddie:
I dealt with that situation about a month ago with a pallet of flagstones that were 5' x 5' and 1 1/2" thick.
I used adjustable cargo straps to hold all but one of the flagstones upright, another strap around the bunch and the end one, and then cut the metal banding. They all stayed upright, and then we loosened the strap on the end one and carried it off. We worked our way through the stack, making sure the remainder stayed upright and took them one at a time.
One broke on us while it was vertical and pieces came crashing down. Be careful and be aware this can happen. Steel toed boots.
You need something very strong to support the stack while you take it apart. Maybe the FEL on a tractor.
We had two strong guys, and a geezer (me). You need two guys to disassemble the stack one one to stand back and make sure the operation is safe...
Hope this is clear. I can elaborate if you don't understand something.
czechsonofagun
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The pavilion deserves better join on railing than that piece of sheetmetal joinery. Hmm, I guess it matches the rest, but it still sticks out.
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Eddie, I tend to agree with Prokop about the corner treatment. Could you put some decorative flat black hinges (or flat black straps bent at 90 degrees) on the corners to tie the pieces together? That might look nicer than the metal angle plates.
Of course the railing is going to get a lot of abuse. People will be drawn to that railing to sit and push against. I think it may need a bit more support, but I could be wrong. You have to do what the client can afford and will agree to. It just seems to me that they cut corners on a very important part. If a group of people lean or sit on that rail and it collapses, they will wish they had allowed you to beef it up a bit more. I hope it doesn't happen, but my gut feeling says it will be problematic.
Of course the railing is going to get a lot of abuse. People will be drawn to that railing to sit and push against. I think it may need a bit more support, but I could be wrong. You have to do what the client can afford and will agree to. It just seems to me that they cut corners on a very important part. If a group of people lean or sit on that rail and it collapses, they will wish they had allowed you to beef it up a bit more. I hope it doesn't happen, but my gut feeling says it will be problematic.
CurlyDave
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Another vote for a nicer railing corner.
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EddieWalker
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I'm still looking for something nicer, but for now, it's form over function. WHen it's gets painted, I don't think you'll notice it, but we'll see.
For the bride to walk to the pavilion, she has to climb a set of stairs that I'm making, and then walk though an arbor, that I'm also making. I set the posts today, but started cutting, glueing and screwing the pieces for the top of the arbor together. Each one took 13 pieces of wood. After drying for two days, I sanded them down. My goal is to set them on the posts tomorrow.
Eddie
For the bride to walk to the pavilion, she has to climb a set of stairs that I'm making, and then walk though an arbor, that I'm also making. I set the posts today, but started cutting, glueing and screwing the pieces for the top of the arbor together. Each one took 13 pieces of wood. After drying for two days, I sanded them down. My goal is to set them on the posts tomorrow.
Eddie
