Wejding a band saw blade

   / Wejding a band saw blade
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#11  
I guess I should have specified metal cutting band saw. The youtube videos were good but for wood cutting blades. I think a metal cutting saw has a lot more tension and makes a twist as it comes through the guides. I tried tiging it with 308 stainless and aneiled it after. When I set the tension on the blade it broke about an 1/8" away. I guess I will have to wait for the new blades(2) to show up. Thanks for the ideas.
Bill
 
   / Wejding a band saw blade #12  
I have a book from the 60s that talks about soldering wood bandsaw blades. It said clamp it in place, and silver solder them, then clamp a clothespin wrapped in asbestos over it so it will anneal.
 
   / Wejding a band saw blade
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#13  
I bought this saw used and have had the same blade in it. I found out today that the blade that was in it was 1/2" short. It measured 104". The manual says the blade should be 104.5. This machine has a tension gauge on it. When I was adjusting the saw last week I saw that the gauge indicating the blade was loose so I tightened it up.This gauge doesn't actually measure tension.It measures length. It indicates with a pointer that with a proper length blade the pointer should be in the green area. Since my blade was short the gauge was showing loose. When I tightened it so the gauge was in the green I actually severely over tightened it. I should have left it alone.
Bill
 
   / Wejding a band saw blade #14  
I use a homemade jig similar to the one in the video except I use several small clamps. I will take and make the 2 broken ends meet, then put one under the other and slide them together about 3/4" so they overlap. I then clamp the blade down and use a cut off wheel in the 4-1/2" grinder and cut the blade at an angle where the 3 pieces are overlapped. This gives the joint more joining surface helping to make a stronger and longer lasting joint.

Next I put a slight bevel (slight is about all you can do with these thin blades) at the newly cut angled ends..... the top of one, the bottom of the other so when the blade ends are slid together the new bevels meet and the blade is the original thickness.

Next I use a very fine grit sandpaper to clean both sides of the broken ends to about an inch away from the joint. Wipe both ends with common rubbing alcohol or acetone to make sure they are clean. Put a thin coat of silver brazing flux about 3/4" or enough to make sure the whole joint is covered............Fluxes....JW Harris Stay-Silv works good but is a little pricey compared to Oatey Plumbers #5 flux which works with silver and steel as good as the name brand silver fluxes. Also, as in your case, it can be purchased on the weekend at Menards, Farm & Fleet, Ace Hardware when the local welding supply places are closed.......where were we.......clamp the 2 ends together so the bevels mate and the blade is flush at the joint. Add another thin coat of flux to both sides of the joint. Now.....seeing that these blades are fairly thin, you can get by with the type of Mapp torch with the disposable bottles, or you can use your Oxy/Fuel unit. Point a little heat on the top side, then place the heat source below the joint and wait for the flux to bubble and turn somewhat clear. At this point start touching the silver brazing rod or wire to the joint to see if it will start melting. Do not apply direct flame to the rod/wire. Once you have gotten to the point where the rod/wire has melted off a sufficient quantity of silver at the joint, hold the flame still under the blade until you see the silver flow. If capillary action has sucked some of the silver away from the top joint, at this time you can add a little more silver if you flux the rod / wire. Remove heat after you are sure you have a good joint.

Allow blade to cool..............now, it is suggested that a person harden the blade back up since the brazing action annealed it. In the past I have not done this to silver brazed blades because they seem to last a long time as is. If I weld the blades I will temper them because there is no fear that the silver joint will let go. If you are a perfectionist and must harden the brazed blade...........once it has cooled to room temp, heat the blade until it is a dull (very dull for silver) red, then immerse in cold water.

When done with the surgery, use a flap disc or something similar to sand the silver joint down to about flush..don't go crazy here. Just need to make sure the blade will pass through the guide wheels without taking them out or making excessive noise................good luck.
 
   / Wejding a band saw blade #15  
I do mine (for metal) similar to what Pat55 does without the detail.

Homemade jig, couple clamps on each side, hangs off the side of the saw.

I usually sand the bevel on mine, and was taught to sand them both simultaneously by holding the ends together then sliding them slightly to the side so they end up side by side to each other then hold them at a slight angle on the belt sander. The longer the taper the better.

Good quality silver, good paste, quick wipe of everything and get in and out when soldering.

I don't anneal or temper after, just let cool.

I dress with a 90 degree die grinder and sanding disc or ro-loc but whatever would work.

The problem I see with most folks when they try and do it with me is the length of time they keep the heat to the part.

Good luck.
 
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On my saw the blade goes through a set of rollers before and a set after the cut . These rollers keep the blade straight. These rollers ride tight against the blade. There isn't enough clearance for a doubled blade. Here is a pic.
Bill
 

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   / Wejding a band saw blade #17  
Change gears, speed it up, or plug it into 220-volts, it's just a matter of velocity! :D
 
   / Wejding a band saw blade #18  
The blade does not end up doubled. Not sure how to explain this in words better but you are scarfing the ends of the blades so that they overlap and maintain the same thickness. So, like if you look at some nice wood trim work, where the moulding overlaps in the field, you will cut both pieces on a 45 so that the joint is harder to see.

Something should google up that shows a scarf joint, and that is what you want so that you have the strength with the silver.

doing the sanding side by side (simultaneously) insures to the best of our shop ability that the angle is matching between the two pieces.

Went and found an article that maybe explains it better than I did, and has some other tips as well that may or may not be helpful to some. He sets his angle with a wedge, I have always just eyeballed mine, I think it really comes down to whatever works for you. Anyway, this may be worth a look for you.

http://www.gadgetbuilder.com/BandSaw.html
 
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Best use of your remaining blade is to use a blade welder. If you try a make shift method you'll destroy the blade. Do-all band saws had a welder built into the machine. It had two clamps that held the ends butted together. It then passed current through the joint to fuse the ends together. Even had a grinder to smooth the weld back to original thickness. Many operations required the band to be inserted in a hollow section.

Took only a few minutes. Call a local machine shop ...
 
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I need to make a correction. I previously stated that you could use the Oatey #5 plumbers flux with silver rod or wire. I apologize but the Oatey #5 will not work well with the higher silver content filler metals. I use the Oatey flux for Stay-Brite solder that has a very low silver content. It does save having to by the expensive Harris flux for Stay-Brite...........sorry.
 

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