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   / Welcome to my Nightmare!!!! #381  
Eddie,
I am not a motorhead in any way so take this for what it is worth. About a year ago my work truck (gasser) would run just a little hot all the time and then (not always) the temp gauge would peg to the right. I would stop and shut the truck off and let it cool when i started it back up, would have no trouble besides it running just a little hot. The mech. changed the therm but that did nothing. He decided to pull the head and sure enough the head gasket was bad. Have had no trouble since, maybe your's got a cut or tear in it when you did the rebuild.
 
   / Welcome to my Nightmare!!!! #382  
Eddie i'm sorry, but i didnt catch that you were talking about the cooling system of your hydraulics... I've read "hydraulic cooling system" but assumed that a hydraulic driven cooling fan was meant, as you see on some construction machinery where the radiator, for constructional reasons, has to be installed away from the engine to place it in an area that allows air to flow through... i think i thought too complicated.. ;)

Overheating HST can mean that pumps or motors are shot. I got the oil on my Zetor 5245 cooking hot when working with the frontloader, before i installed a new oil pump... All the energy loss due to pressure leaks, is converted into heat.

How old is your dozer and how many hours did it make ? I get the feeling that you'd better sold it off to a guy in the town of farraway, before spending money on the engine, maybe now it's the hydraulic$$$$ that are going to drain your wallet... :S
Off course it can be something simple like a clogged radiator or flow restriction, but i'm afraid its going to cost you money again...
Even if its getting worn out, it will be able to give you a couple of 100's of hours to finish your project....
 
   / Welcome to my Nightmare!!!! #383  
Renze said:
Eddie i'm sorry, but i didnt catch that you were talking about the cooling system of your hydraulics.

Ditto for me. Sorry just ignore my post
 
   / Welcome to my Nightmare!!!! #384  
Eddie,

This thread is really interesting...and confirms my admiration of you as a person who is very resourceful and sticks to his program, in spite of difficulties. Those people usually see the biggest rewards.
 
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Renze,

I agree with you about the hydraulic pumps, but have another mental block there as well. One pump was tested out and was very strong. No problems with it at all. The other one wasn't. I pulled it out and had it and the drive motor rebuilt for $3,000. Now it's just like new. They are Sundstrand pumps, which to my limited knowledge, is a decent name brand. They are also the same pumps used in the John Deere 850 dozers if that helps any.

It could be them, but everytime I have a problem the mechanics at Case blame the pumps, and after awhile it turns out to be something else. The last time was the loss of power to all the pumps, includeing the blade. They said I had to replace all three as they ALL went bad at the same time. I forced the issue as being kind of hard to believe, and had them do a test. That's when we found out the pumps were in fact fine with plenty of preasure. For whatever reason, the problem slowly corrected itself and I had full power to the hyrdraulics again. The only thing that makes sense to me from reading the manuals is that the anti-stall control was stuck. It would cause the problems I had, but nobody checked it when I had it at Case.

Anyway, two things came up last week. My parents are here to help for awhile and while running the dozer, my Dad noticed that we had exhaust coming out of the front grill. Not just dust!! This got us to looking at the muffler, which is shot, but too expensive to replace. Case wants $800 for a new one, but said we might be able to find one for $650 if we look around. Either way, that's not gonna happen.

When I did the engine rebuild, there was a small hole in the bottom of the muffler that I thought I'd sealed up with a bolt and fender washers. It didn't work and the hole has gotten allot bigger. Also the pipe coming off the muffler and into the tail pipe is rusted off. I did a bad patch job that didn't hold up either.

Dad thought we should try to get it welded up right with a welder, but none of the ones we talked to wanted to bother with it, or they wanted almost as much as a new one would cost. Then we got lucky and found a muffler shop in a small town about ten miles from Tyler that did it for $65.

Now the hot exhaust is going out the tail pipe and not through the radiator. This should help.

The other issue was cleaning the radiator. I've been running a hose through it for a month now trying to get it clean. The bottom part has been plugged for a very long time and it just wasn't coming out. I figured that it had been that way before the engine rebuild without over heating, then it probably wasn't the problem. Dad dissagreed.

He reminded me that we never ran the dozer during the heat of summer and that the new engine was putting out allot more power. The more power is allowing us to move more dirt, dig deaper and push it harder, so this is also causing the additional temps to the hydraulics.

He went and talked to a guy at the radiator shop who did a good job for me on the dumptruck radiator. He told my dad that it was OK to preasure was a steel radiator. Not aluminum or copper. Turns out the dozer has a steel radiator. We rented a preasure washer and was able to finally get it clean.

We've ran it the last couple days without any overheating, even though it's been over 100 degrees out with high humidity.

Maybe it's fixed???


Meadowlark,

Thank you, that was very kind of you and much appreciated.

Eddie
 
   / Welcome to my Nightmare!!!! #386  
Next time listen to your father! He sounds right to me if rad is plugged your not going to cool all the extrsa ponies you brought back to life with the rebuild. The exaughst leak never occured to me but makes pefect sense in hindsight. Having that extra set of eyes to watch while you run the machine can make a huge difference. Something about "The forrest for the trees" or one of my grandaddys other sayings. Sounds to me like you eliminated 2 magor causes of overheating. Sounds awfull expensive for a muffler. Is there something special about it? can you reroute the pipes and use a different one?
 
   / Welcome to my Nightmare!!!! #387  
I think all you need now is a new and shiny paint job and you have a new dozer.

Derek:D
 
   / Welcome to my Nightmare!!!! #388  
EddieWalker said:
Hey John,

I don't disagree with you, but I'm also not conviced it's as simple as the radiator fins. When I started the rebuild, the bottom of the shroud was totally full of sand and dirt. It was right up to the top of the shroud and the bottom third of the radiator was blocked. Not just reduced, but so blocked that I had to use a small garden shovel to scoop out the majority of the material. After I got it mostly out, I was able to finish it up with the hose.

My mental block stems from the fact that I never had this proble, before cleaing out the shroud, nor did it come up for almost a hundred hours on the rebuild. Then one day, it's getting hot.

Eddie


Eddie,

Wow, you sure have some "odd" problems -- eh? I bet that the exhaust hitting the radiator (probably the clean area?) was most of the issue. Remember about 1/3 of the fuel's energy is turned to heat and goes out the exhaust.

Your dad is a pretty smart cookie. Looking back, your new engine is still breaking in and making more heat than normal. Add in the restricted radiator, high ambiant temps and and exhaust leak and it's a wonder it ran as cool as it did!

On the muffler, have you tried Donaldson on the web? They make mufflers for lots of trucks and heavy equipment. Can you post a pic of the muffler? I ain't never seen a $800 muffler before!

jb
 
   / Welcome to my Nightmare!!!! #389  
Yes 1/3 is heat leaving the exhaust... the other 1/3 is mechanical energy and another 1/3 is heat leaving though the cooling system... Cooling is important though...

Eddy your clogged radiator remembers me of my uncle who was at our place years ago, to pick up a load of beach sand excavated from a manure pit construction. My brother would load his car trailer with the 5718 Zetor and 3pt hitch bucket. The radiator started leaking, so my uncle said to wait a bit. He walked a few feet around through the pasture to find a few weeks old horse dropping, stuffed it in the radiator and the leaking stopped after a few minutes... :D

How does it sound when i add to this, that the small automobile dealership my uncle ran, went bankrupt about 4 years ago ?? ;)
 
   / Welcome to my Nightmare!!!! #390  
Oh by the way, one more thing about the pumps:

Hydraulic piston pumps and motors all have 3 lines attached to: 1 for feed, 1 for return, 1 smaller to drain off the internal leakage back to the oil tank.
What your Case dealer describes as "testing" a pump, can simply be done by taking off the leak line and see how big this leak flow is when the system is at working pressure.... :)
 

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