What a Joke

[Diamondpilot]

John, I currently have a 7.3L and 2 6.0L PSD. I talked to a guy at Quadzilla, the maker of the chips I run in my trucks. I asked him how they were coming on the new 6.4L's. He said that all the new clean diesels gave them headaches they were trying to work around but he said they had 3 6.4L test trucks and they all put out about 40hp more than advertised in stock form. He felt there was a safe 200-250 Hp left in these engines at the flywheel and about 150Hp at the rear wheels in stock form.


As for the torque shift being a weak link I saw a 2004 F-250 2 wheel drive 6.0L that was running in the 12 sec bracket at the drag strip last summer. It was stock except for the injectors, turbo, chip, exhaust, and few other tricks like propane and nitrous. He was well in excess of 850 Hp. This was the guys daily driver also with nearly 80,000 miles on it then.

Chris

 

[bota7800]

Bota7800,

Word has it that Toyota will offer a dually with an 8.0L Hino diesel and six speed Eaton transmission, NOT an Allison, in 1-2 years. It will be rated at 300 hp and 600 pound feet of torque in initial form, likely more based on current competition. I have seen a picture. It looks a little funny but was unpainted to give it the industial look, so with paint it might look fine.

John M

John,

The one at the Stock Show was painted some sort of gray. It was one of those coatings that are intentionally flat and industrial looking (I don't know the right term)

 

[tlbuser]

Bota7800,

Word has it that Toyota will offer a dually with an 8.0L Hino diesel and six speed Eaton transmission, NOT an Allison, in 1-2 years. It will be rated at 300 hp and 600 pound feet of torque in initial form, likely more based on current competition. I have seen a picture. It looks a little funny but was unpainted to give it the industial look, so with paint it might look fine.

John M

PickupTruck.Com - SEMA 2007 - Toyota Tundra Dually Diesel Concept

 

[Robert_in_NY]

PickupTruck.Com - SEMA 2007 - Toyota Tundra Dually Diesel Concept

Are they designing this truck for the camper pulling segment?

Also, what is with the huge wheel wells inside the box? They continue all the way to the front of the box as if it had tandem axles

 

[tlbuser]

Quite possibly. There's a couple more articles in pickuptruck.com about the concept truck. Four leather and suede power captain's chairs, etc., BUT it's a manual tranny ???

 

[TomK]

I saw this at the National Western Stock Show. Cool looking truck, but it was a short bed and the 5th wheel hitch wasn't a slider that I could tell. One sharp turn and CRUNCH!!!

 

[Builder]

Are they designing this truck for the camper pulling segment?

Also, what is with the huge wheel wells inside the box? They continue all the way to the front of the box as if it had tandem axles

Auto show concept trucks are always like that. So few ever see production. I remember Dodge had a concept power wagon back in '99 at the auto show with a Caterpillar diesel and full front & rear lockers. They wouldn't let you up real close to it, but one of my buddies got a look underneath and the driveline wasn't even connected.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

Auto show concept trucks are always like that. So few ever see production. I remember Dodge had a concept power wagon back in '99 at the auto show with a Caterpillar diesel and full front & rear lockers. They wouldn't let you up real close to it, but one of my buddies got a look underneath and the driveline wasn't even connected.

I know most concept vehicles are not even close to road legal or even able to run and a lot of them are just the design guys having fun. I was just surprised to see those wheel wells in the box like that. They don't serve any purpose and I don't even think they look good or useable. All they do is push anything you put in the box further to the center making it harder to reach. All I can figure is some kid thought it would look neat as well as the diamond plate with gaps around the wheel well

Speaking of the Dodge with the Cat diesel. I remember about 4 years ago I was at a large farm dealerships spring auction and the local Ford dealer had a beautiful F-650. The only reason I remembered it was it was the first time I noticed the CAT badge on a Ford

 

[Builder]

John, I currently have a 7.3L and 2 6.0L PSD. I talked to a guy at Quadzilla, the maker of the chips I run in my trucks. I asked him how they were coming on the new 6.4L's. He said that all the new clean diesels gave them headaches they were trying to work around but he said they had 3 6.4L test trucks and they all put out about 40hp more than advertised in stock form. He felt there was a safe 200-250 Hp left in these engines at the flywheel and about 150Hp at the rear wheels in stock form."

What do you think he's going to say? "They blow up if you add a 10HP chip"? I mean let's be serious, we're all big boys here. The guy's in business to sell chips, so what else would he say?

BTW: There aren't many engines that don't have "200-250" left in them. It's how long they'll run at an output that high that matters.

"As for the torque shift being a weak link I saw a 2004 F-250 2 wheel drive 6.0L that was running in the 12 sec bracket at the drag strip last summer. It was stock except for the injectors, turbo, chip, exhaust, and few other tricks like propane and nitrous. He was well in excess of 850 Hp. This was the guys daily driver also with nearly 80,000 miles on it then.Chris

So then why does Ford use an allison trans like the one in my pickup in their true medium duty applications and not an in-house Ford Torqshift? They could supply for their own trucks at probably a much lower cost to Ford?

Don't bean counters cut every possible dollar in cost to produce these trucks as cheaply as possible?

 

[bota7800]

PickupTruck.Com - SEMA 2007 - Toyota Tundra Dually Diesel Concept

Yep, that's the one. I did not get close enough to see the weird wheelwells. Maybe they should have Hillsboro or Bradford make a one-off flatbed for it.