Buying Advice What do I need?

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seanlowery

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Within the next 6 months I will be starting a building project in the Adirondack mountains of NY which will include putting in an access road and clearing enough land for a small cabin. The land is flat, but there are some wetlands to deal with. It makes sense to me to buy a tractor, do the job myself and then sell the tractor when I am done, rather than pay someone big $ to do the work for me. (besides, I have ALWAYS wanted to have a tractor). I have no idea what I will need (size, brand attachments) and could use some help. I am thinking a used backhoe. Any suggestions where to start?
 
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Tractors are not the best road builders. A dozer with a good operator that knows how to build up a road bed and cut drainage ditches will pretty much out perform any tractor. If you have much in the way of trees that have to come out an excavator may also be needed.

Welcome to the forum and good luck with the project.

MarkV
 
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I hate to be such a downer, but we have several tractors from 23 to 85 HP and I would not tackle something like that. I am sure some can do it, but we hired a dozer when we built our house. We did some finish work with a back hoe and tractors.
 
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I am forced to agree.

land clearing and road BUILDING are not tractor tasks.

Road MAINTENANCE is a GREAT tractor task.

Hire the clearing out.

a backhoe and dozer can clear a lot fast.. truck in some dirt/clay/hardrock and have it spread and rolled.

as for the wet areas... lots of issues there.

is it classified as a wetland?

is it perched water over an aquaclude that you can drain and eventually dry up and stabilize once the clay area quits deforming?

is it a spring fed area?

is it wet due to drainage issues from elsewhere, farther up, or on it's own basin?

these are all things to think about when building near wet areas.

in some cases you can dewater or add drainage, and stabilize and go.

ps.. if you like / want a tractor.. get one.. but let the big machines move in, do the work in a day and move out.

soundguy
 
/ What do I need? #6  
Tractors with backhoes are good for digging trenches, removing tree stumps, etc.

Tractors with front end loaders are good for scooping up loose or loosely compacted material (soil, sand, gravel, compost, etc) and are not recommended for heavy digging/earth moving.

So, in your case, you really need to think about construction equipment. Some folks on TBN have bought used bulldozers, used them on a project, and then sold them. But buying used construction equipment is risky since these things are very expensive to repair. And it helps if you already know how to run these things safely and efficiently.

Save yourself a lot of $$$ and aggrevation and hire the work done.
 
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Are you inside the "Blue Line"...better check with the APA(Adironack Park Agnecy) before you do anything.Could be expensive if you don't.
 
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I am working with the APA to make sure I do things right. Thanks for all the advice. Much to think about...I will admit that much of my motivation was to fulfill my childhood dream of operating heavy machinery. I simply cannot afford more than one machine and it seemed as though the backhoe fit the bill. Would it make a difference if the "road" was more of a driveway?
 
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if you have the time, and moved up from ag equipment to say an industrial tractor like a ford 3-4-5 3 digit series TLB ( tractor loader backhoe ).. you could slowly clear the land.

as for the roadway.. that will require another machine with ah heavy box blade or gannon type rear outfit...

Like I said.. I see at a minimum a couple pieces of equipment in your future, if you choose to do this.

many of the industrial tlb's are just that. no longer really tractors.. can't throw a mower on them etc.. the just dig and scoop dirt... a combo of a tlb, and another tractor to run a mower and a box blade would be the minimum you would want. and you will have to take your time digging the stumps, even with an industrial tractor backhoe. dig all around.. sometimes even then you have to climb intot he hole and chop them out depending on tree type and size.

you can still live the dream.. just will take some time and money..

soundguy

soundguy
 
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I am working with the APA to make sure I do things right. Thanks for all the advice. Much to think about...I will admit that much of my motivation was to fulfill my childhood dream of operating heavy machinery. I simply cannot afford more than one machine and it seemed as though the backhoe fit the bill. Would it make a difference if the "road" was more of a driveway?

Whatever you call it doesn't really make any difference as many of us would find it hard to make a clear cut distinction.

Some more experienced road builders can give you information on roadbed preparation, what to use as a final topping, ditches, slope, drainage etc., but they will need to know your soil conditions, terrain etc.

We "built" several miles of roads on our farms, but with our terrain and soil conditions, on most we didn't need any ditches or much in the way of a roadbed, we just graded the roadway and put crushed rock on then drove on it, grading and moving the rock around as needed.

On the wooded roads, we had a dozer go through and knock the trees down then used 70 and 80 HP tractors with a back blade.

In some parts of our county, people don't use rock or ditches because the sand soaks the rain up and even when this takes a while, the bottom is always solid even when covered in standing water.

When we need equipment like excavators or back hoes, we rent them, but it looks like no matter which way you go, it is going to get expensive. Multiple pieces of equipment is the ideal way to go, but I can sure understand the financial strain.

One last thing, I also like to "do it myself", but after a project my sons and I finished using two tractors, when we finished, the fuel bill was more than we would have paid to have someone with the right equipment to do it.
 
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"The land is flat, but there are some wetlands to deal with."

1. It would help to know how long your road is?
2. How wide does the permit require it to be?
3. Is it on glacial till (sand and gravel), bedrock, or bog?
4. Are you in the lake effect snow belt?
5. What kind of vegetation are you dealing with? Old growth trees, saplings, overgrown field?
 
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1. the road will be roughly 150 yards
2. not sure how wide - permit still in process
3. there is only avery small boggish area that I will have to cross (15 yards at most)
4. no lake effect
5. old growth, fallen trees and saplings - no fields
Thanks!
 
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is the wet area 'protected' or just a 'swimming pool' on your land?

what's the soil like .. any clay?

soundguy
 
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With twenty plus acres to deal with you could use a tractor for sure. I wouldn't buy one or a dozer to clear a driveway and single dwelling location though. Don't think for a minute that you have the expertise to beat a real road builder at his own game and will save money doing this.

Most everyone on this forum likes working with tractors and discussing them here on tbn. There will be lots of scenarios to get good use out of a tractor such as clearing snow, building a lawn, maintaining the driveway but get one when you intend to keep it.
 
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the wet area is protected. not a pool, just mushy with some standing water
 
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Maybe you could get away with an L48 which I think still has a PTO and a 3 pt hitch. Alot depends on the local conditions though, if you can just flush cut all your stumps and dump a foot of pit run onto a firm forest floor and call it a road, you don't need too much equipment. If 3 ft of pit run will sink out of sight in the spring then you'd better hire it done by pro, he'll know what you can get away with in your specific conditions.

I assume with a cabin you won't have a basement so the rest of the site prep might be done with a TLB, and I've been to lots of cottages than have only had hand tools do the site prep and foundation so it depends what scale you are looking at.
 
/ What do I need? #17  
the wet area is protected. not a pool, just mushy with some standing water

Sean if the wet area the road is to pass through is protected what restrictions do you have to follow for road building? That could be a problem if you can't build up, drain or divert the moisture.

MarkV
 
/ What do I need? #18  
It makes sense to me to buy a tractor, do the job myself and then sell the tractor when I am done, rather than pay someone big $ to do the work for me. (besides, I have ALWAYS wanted to have a tractor).

Almost everybody else is saying you should hire it done. I won't disagree. But I think you just contradicted your self twice. :)

It does make sense to buy a tractor. But you'll never be done with it, so don't assume you'll sell it. Besides, you've always wanted one. Good luck on your new adventure and toy to maintain it! :thumbsup:
 

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