What exactly is "swing shift"??

Richard · Jul 4, 2018

I've used a Kubota that was a GST. I've used a shuttle shift. (didn't really care for either given my circumstances)

Those were not our machines, I just had chance to use them.

My backhoe has a shifter, don't know if it has a name. It's like a turn signal on the left side of the steering wheel. It's electro-mechanical.

I don't have any clutch, zero none. I just click it forward and I'm going forward. Put in middle detent and I'm in neutral. Pull it backwards and I'm in reverse.

Makes loader work pretty darn easy.

I've seen a Kubota (for sale that I'm eyeballing) that says it has this "Swing Shift" and I'm trying to figure out if it's like my electro-mechanical backhoe or someone using the wrong terminology for the shuttle shift?

BTW, the Kubota for sale is a MS-9540 if that helps

ptsg · Jul 4, 2018

It's called shuttle shift. Someone, more likely a salesman that usually doesn't know anything, is just using the wrong terminology.

Richard · Jul 4, 2018

I was fearing that.....but, HOPING that it was electro-mechanical.

Does my memory serve me in that you have to clutch between F/R??? or can you just "swing" it on the fly??

ptsg · Jul 4, 2018

On that particular tractor is Hydraulic Shuttle shift. This means you have two clutch packs that runs on an oil bath, one for reverse and another for forward movement. You can swing it on the fly. The "clutch" pedal is pretty much only used to do precise movements, lets say you are placing a pallet on a tight space with the loader and you need to make slow movements. Is also used to change between gears and range, and to come to a complete stop or to take off slowly, as in High range, otherwise it might stall the tractor and give you a really high bump.

To be fair, is not really a clutch pedal as these tractors doesn't have a dry clutch. The pedal, when pressed, just sends the oil flow directly to the tank so none of the two clutch packs gets engaged.

Not sure if I explained 100% correctly but I'm up to corrections.

Ortimber · Jul 4, 2018

The M9540 does not require clutching. It’s a hydraulic shuttle.

smstonypoint · Jul 4, 2018

TractorData.com Kubota M954 tractor transmission information lists four different transmission types for that model.

Steve

oosik · Jul 4, 2018

My 2009 M6040 has what Kubota calls - Hydraulic shuttle shift. You may shift between speeds on the go but the clutch must be used. You can shift between ranges - must come to a complete stop - must use the clutch.. The hydraulic-shuttle shift lever will change directions( forward - reverse ) - DOES NOT require the clutch - only to be used when the tractor is moving slowly.

Rustyiron · Jul 4, 2018

ptsg said:
On that particular tractor is Hydraulic Shuttle shift. This means you have two clutch packs that runs on an oil bath, one for reverse and another for forward movement. You can swing it on the fly. The "clutch" pedal is pretty much only used to do precise movements, lets say you are placing a pallet on a tight space with the loader and you need to make slow movements. Is also used to change between gears and range, and to come to a complete stop or to take off slowly, as in High range, otherwise it might stall the tractor and give you a really high bump.

To be fair, is not really a clutch pedal as these tractors doesn't have a dry clutch. The pedal, when pressed, just sends the oil flow directly to the tank so none of the two clutch packs gets engaged.

Not sure if I explained 100% correctly but I'm up to corrections.

You "nailed it" :thumbsup:

flusher · Jul 4, 2018

"Swing Shift"--dates to days of WWII. Means a work shift from mid-afternoon to midnight.
Never heard the term used in connection with CUTs.

MossRoad · Jul 4, 2018

flusher said:
"Swing Shift"--dates to days of WWII. Means a work shift from mid-afternoon to midnight.
Never heard the term used in connection with CUTs.

That's what I was thinking.:laughing:

PILOON · Jul 4, 2018

flusher said:
"Swing Shift"--dates to days of WWII. Means a work shift from mid-afternoon to midnight.
Never heard the term used in connection with CUTs.

Yep and when A teen I worked those 3 shifts.
Swing was my downfall, you played all day and then went to work all tired out.
I'm surprised that there ore not more accidents on that shift.
Night was better 4 me. Sleep to noon and then play

JerryK · Jul 4, 2018

Closing all those bars was a bee itch, too..... Or was it the trying to find your way home, thing.... ???

PILOON · Jul 5, 2018

LOL, swing was , like 5PM to midnight so if you were still awake I guess you could have hit the bars as around here they closed at 3 AM.
My problem back then was that we waterskied most days practicing for events and competitions.
All day in full sun took a fair bit out of you.
I, however still have all my fingers as back then my summer job was on production lines at a tin can factory that sported all kinds of dangerous machinery.
The wages however were to kill for.
Some summer students earned enough to purchase brand new cars on their one summer wages, and that a full sized Chevy or Ford!

MossRoad · Jul 5, 2018

I used to like working nights. It kept me out of trouble.

I worked days mostly after we had children. Wanted to be home in the evenings with them. Worked out well. Did a lot of family stuff for many, many years. When my youngest was a junior in high school I was forced to take a 7pm-3am shift out of necessity. Did that for three years until production was outsourced and we all lost our jobs. 7pm-3am isn't too bad of a shift. I'd be in bed by 3:30am. Up around 10:00am. Eat a light breakfast, do all my home chores (and maybe a little fishing

). Start making dinner around 4:30, eat with the wife and kid around 5:30. Leave for work at 6:45 and punch in at 7:00. I got to be a pretty good cook, the wife didn't have to think about what to make for dinner. I did all the groceries and house cleaning. We'd really only spend time together on weekends. It was kinda like dating again. :laughing:

rScotty · Jul 5, 2018

flusher said:
"Swing Shift"--dates to days of WWII. Means a work shift from mid-afternoon to midnight.
Never heard the term used in connection with CUTs.

Yep, same here. During high school I worked that lonely shift every night at a gas station down in the slums. I was on my own by then. Tough neighborhood, tough times.
rScotty

houstonscott · Jul 5, 2018

Day shift....0800-1600
Swing shift....1600-2400
Night shift.... 0000-0800

Or very close...

JerryK · Jul 5, 2018

houstonscott said:
Day shift....0800-1600
Swing shift....1600-2400
Night shift.... 0000-0800

Or very close...

Worked ' trick ' work for nine months in a huge comm center behind the Farben building in downtown Frankfurt in the mid 60's. Back when the word 'trick' or 'gay' meant something entirely different, was different times. Had four big tricks [ groups ] of people. Days for six days with three days off, swing shift for six days with three days off, then six days on midnights with two days off. Young, and could put up with it... We would even stay up and drive to Amsterdam on our off time.... then come home and literately crash until time to go back to the old grind. Then I got to see the other side of the world....

MossRoad · Jul 5, 2018

JerryK said:
Worked ' trick ' work for nine months in a huge comm center behind the Farben building in downtown Frankfurt in the mid 60's. Back when the word 'trick' or 'gay' meant something entirely different, was different times. Had four big tricks [ groups ] of people. Days for six days with three days off, swing shift for six days with three days off, then six days on midnights with two days off. Young, and could put up with it... We would even stay up and drive to Amsterdam on our off time.... then come home and literately crash until time to go back to the old grind. Then I got to see the other side of the world....

I could do that stuff if I was single, but being married and having a family would kill me on that shift.