Thanks for all the replies. I'm mostly interested in performance (loader/b.hoe). The JD 430 loader almost doubles the performance of the NH 7308 loader. Can't find the NH backhoe specs?? I've learned that the JD 48 b.h. is same as the Great bend 851 (made by someone else??) The B21 doesn't campare much to 4300, and the L35 looks too big (and no hydro), but looks equal or better in spec's to 4300. I'm I digging too much (ha, ha)?? Didn't look at L3010, but will soon. Thanks.