What is hay dust?

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For the second time now I've developed a wicked cough after handling multiple bales of 6 month old hay that leaves a cloud of dust in the air when moved.

Is that just a nuisance dust, or is it something biologically active like mold spores..?

Pete
 
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Could be mold... how does it smell? Fresh? I guess maybe you really should not smell it. What color is it?

Could be just fiber breakdown, dust, dirt.

Any health issues on your part?

Why not wear a mask. sometimes I do.....

-Mike Z. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Especially since you're already noticed a temporal relationship between the hay dust exposure and your symptoms, I would recommend that you be very careful in the future. There is a problem called hypersensitivity pneumonitis that develops from repeated exposure to organic irritants and antigens (antigens are things that your body recognizes as foreign and will cause developent of allergy inducing antibodies). Many of the antigens are the result of fungal growths within the material being handled.

Of course most of the below don't apply to you (unless you're a pigeon-raising paprika farmer /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif), but here are some known Hypersensitivity Pneumonitis Syndromes with their sources and instigating entities worth a Google Search:

Farmers Lung - Moldy Hay (Saccharopolyspora rectivirgula)

Bird Fancier's Lung - (Saccharopolyspora rectivirgula and Micropolyspora faeni)

Bagassosis - Moldy sugar cane fiber (Thermoactinomyces sacchari)

Grain handler's lung - Moldy grain (S rectivirgula, Thermoactinomyces vulgaris)

Humidifier/air-conditioner lung - Contaminated forced-air systems, heated water reservoirs (S rectivirgula, T vulgaris)

Bird breeder's lung - Pigeons, parakeets, fowl, rodents Avian or animal proteins

Cheese worker's lung - Cheese mold (Penicillium casei )

Malt worker's lung - Moldy malt (Aspergillus clavatus)

Paprika splitter's lung - Paprika dust (Mucor stolonifer)

Wheat weevil - Infested wheat (Sitophilus granarius)

Mollusk shell hypersensitivity - Shell dust, Sea snail shells

Chemical worker's lung - Manufacture of plastics, polyurethane foam, rubber
(Trimellitic anhydride, diisocyanate, methylene diisocyanate)

Some Hypersensitivity Pneumonitis problems are self limited, but they can go on to be chronic. Be careful out there. This doesn't even touch on the types of actual infections that can occur from exposure to live organisms such as bacterial and fungal nasties.
 
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Excellent advice from Doc Heb.

I think mouldy hay may also affect some animals.

Egon
 
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Thanks, Chris. You've given me all the keywords any man could hope for! I had an upper lobe pneumonia a couple of months back that I attributed to being run down from doing everything while my wife was in the hospital fighting to recover from two emergency surguries. In looking back, however, that illness followed the last time I moved hay bales from the storage shed to the barn.

I'll check it out. Pete
 
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Egon,

Seeing your post reminded me of another Hypersensitivity Pneumonitis trigger:

Woodworkers Lung - chronic sawdust exposure, with special concern for wood that has started to rot (e.g., spalted maple) and some other Toxic Woods
 
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Mornin Pete,
Dont know what I could possibly add that Doc hasnt allready posted. Any type of dust breathed in for any extended period of time is certainly not good for your lungs. You can get a bunch of those one use disposable masks quite cheap. Hang a bunch on the wall in the barn?

scotty
 
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Thanks Doc Heb. At the moment I have a small amount of spalted maple drying. Come spring when I can work outside I will be turning it into sawdust and toothpicks. I do have a mask.

Pete, is there any chance of mouse or bat droppings being in the hay. They too can lead to some ugly consequences.

Really don't want to spoil your day.

Egon
 
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Scott -- It's not extended exposure, just a few minutes once a week. That's why I didn't make the connection right away. I was thinking some form of pneumoconiosis from the physical irritant, not the biologic/allergic basis like DocHeb pointed out. I always thought of farmers lung as a chronic condition.

Egon -- We have three incredibly aggressive mousers in our three mean cats. While I'm sure there are some here and there, I have yet to find any rodent nests or droppings this year.

Masks. Must get masks.

Pete
 
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Sorry for your troubles.

Perhaps rethinking your hay strategy/storage/consumption is another way to mitigate the irritant?

Good luck.
-Mike Z. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Yeah, you're right. The wife and I go around about things like this all the time. I want to do it right, with a hay loft and ventilation to keep mold spores at bay. She wants to do it cheap, and usually I pay the price in illness or injuries. Ahem.

Pete
 
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What are you feeding the hay to? Moldy hay can easily make a horse colic. Cows love it though!
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( She wants to do it cheap, and usually I pay the price in illness or injuries. Ahem. )</font>

Trust me, I feel your pain. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Still have broken fingers from her horse move a few months ago.

-Mike Z. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Sheep, and they don't seem to notice. It's not every bale. Last weekend, out of the twenty bales I moved from one shed to the other, only a couple were dusty, but with those two it was like someone set off a fogger for a few seconds!

Pete
 
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Pete,

I had to clean up a house that had some mold in the shower walls in my old house. The mold was not at all extensive but I was being very careful since one of our kids has ashma. I had also been exposed to heavy amounts of mold in houses that had been flooded by Floyd. Very ugly and lots of mold.

The lesson I learned from Floyd was that the little N95 masks are better than nothing but they really ain't worth a hoot. I bought a good, $25-30, twin canister mask to clean up the batchroom. One of the first things I noticed with the mask is how much more comfortable the mask was compared to the N95 throw away filters. With the N95s I would easily get out of breath. With the real mask I could work hard and still breath. And I'm sure it filtered a whole lot more than the N95. It was well worth the money.

I use the real mask when I mow in the spring. If I don't I will cough up black and green goo for a couple of days from all of the pollen. With the mask I'm just fine. My neighbors may think I look goofy but my lungs thank me. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Later,
Dan
 
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That could very well be an allergy to hay. That same thing will do me in too. I have mild asthma and hay makes me really bad if it is dusty.
 
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The chronic problems can be bad from what ive seen . A farmer friend of mine had whatever it is you get from chickens, it really messed up his lungs, i dont think he really ever got over it. Now my brother in law has somting in his lungs and they think its from chickens also . there going to a bi-opsy on a mass they found in his lungs, he has raised chickens for years but hasnt had them in awhile now.
 
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What is is that you get from Chickens?
 
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Not necessarily mold causing the problem. As JimR stated, I too have 'hay fever' and grew up on the farm never being able to get a good breath of air in my lungs. Hay dust was bad, but straw dust and oats was really bad.

Now I stay out of hay and usually don't have problems breathing. But just get near a bag of niger seed for the birds, and my lungs just 'plug' up and I can't get a breath.
I think some of it is phsycological too, as I could go to a movie and see people rolling in the hay or threshing oats or wheat, and immediately get plugged and swollen lungs.

Its not a pleasant feeling, but one which certainly kept me far away from cigarette smoke. Respirators helped a little bit, but the smell and odor of hay and oats will shut my lungs down, and that smell isn't stopped by a mask or repirator.

You may want to make some decisions about working in hay, and they may not be ones you choose to do willingly. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
 
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I have an idea. Let the wife do the hay. You can cook supper instead. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 

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