Egon
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Re: What\'s ailing my 4610?
Can one see if the shaft from the clutch to the hydrostatic is turning?
Egon
Can one see if the shaft from the clutch to the hydrostatic is turning?
Egon
What's ailing my 4610?
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SmokyMtnMan
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Re: What\'s ailing my 4610?
The area where tractor is disabled is in a remote area about a mile from me. No roads or access with regular vehicle. There was a fairly heavy rainfall last night and it probably couldn't be pulled out anyway. I checked for obstructions underneath and didn't appear to be any. The front loader and bucket work fine.
Low/med/high range selector was in low. I moved it to all three positions and nothing felt unusual and they all locked in place like before. I started engine, checked 4wd, made sure it was in 4wheel, checked differential lock, was in 'up' position, took emergency brake off, moved throttle lever, pressed down on front of hydro pedal......nothing. no movement, no noise, just had to apply brake as it was rollling backwards.
I have a hydro log splitter on back of it and did remember seeing a leak when i used it last time but i caught it real quick and just pushed the quick connect back in.
I didn't check fluids. I'll wait until it's not so muddy and get back over.
one thing...that picture i posted does not do justice to the slope. It's a very steep incline. The emergency brake wont' hold it. I have bucket teeth dug in ground, log splitter down firm on rear, rocks under rear wheels. It's a lot steeper than that picture shows.
The area where tractor is disabled is in a remote area about a mile from me. No roads or access with regular vehicle. There was a fairly heavy rainfall last night and it probably couldn't be pulled out anyway. I checked for obstructions underneath and didn't appear to be any. The front loader and bucket work fine.
Low/med/high range selector was in low. I moved it to all three positions and nothing felt unusual and they all locked in place like before. I started engine, checked 4wd, made sure it was in 4wheel, checked differential lock, was in 'up' position, took emergency brake off, moved throttle lever, pressed down on front of hydro pedal......nothing. no movement, no noise, just had to apply brake as it was rollling backwards.
I have a hydro log splitter on back of it and did remember seeing a leak when i used it last time but i caught it real quick and just pushed the quick connect back in.
I didn't check fluids. I'll wait until it's not so muddy and get back over.
one thing...that picture i posted does not do justice to the slope. It's a very steep incline. The emergency brake wont' hold it. I have bucket teeth dug in ground, log splitter down firm on rear, rocks under rear wheels. It's a lot steeper than that picture shows.
Re: What\'s ailing my 4610?
No hydro whine when the pedal is depressed? Check the clutch pedal free play, should be about 3/4 of an inch. If there is no free play it may allow the clutch to slip. If it popped out of a range into neutral the tractor would free wheel down the hill, so it does'nt sound like that. Could also be low on fluid, however it must be pretty low being that the pickup for fluid is in the back of the tractor. It's going to be tough to see proper level being that it's sitting on an incline, if you can determine that it's low be careful how much you add as you can over service it quite a bit unless you can manage to move it to a more level area.
Just realized, I was thinking of a B series instead of the L series you have. The hydro unit on that tractor is alot closer to the front of the machine and that could be why it may be starving for fluid, especially if the incline is as steep as you say. May work better if you try backing up the hill.
No hydro whine when the pedal is depressed? Check the clutch pedal free play, should be about 3/4 of an inch. If there is no free play it may allow the clutch to slip. If it popped out of a range into neutral the tractor would free wheel down the hill, so it does'nt sound like that. Could also be low on fluid, however it must be pretty low being that the pickup for fluid is in the back of the tractor. It's going to be tough to see proper level being that it's sitting on an incline, if you can determine that it's low be careful how much you add as you can over service it quite a bit unless you can manage to move it to a more level area.
Just realized, I was thinking of a B series instead of the L series you have. The hydro unit on that tractor is alot closer to the front of the machine and that could be why it may be starving for fluid, especially if the incline is as steep as you say. May work better if you try backing up the hill.
Steven
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Re: What\'s ailing my 4610?
Can you safely roll it down to level ground, then let it run a bit and try the hydro pedal agian and you can check fluid levels also. It seems your fluid level is low and the incline only made the matter worse. My own opinion.
Can you safely roll it down to level ground, then let it run a bit and try the hydro pedal agian and you can check fluid levels also. It seems your fluid level is low and the incline only made the matter worse. My own opinion.
BillyP
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Re: What\'s ailing my 4610?
"just had to apply brake as it was rollling backwards."
I bet it's not the hydro. It sounds like the range is in neutral. I know I have to have the range in neutral to be able to move the tractor, if not using the hydro pedal. When you let off the hyro pedals, it's like applying full force brakes.
Billy
"just had to apply brake as it was rollling backwards."
I bet it's not the hydro. It sounds like the range is in neutral. I know I have to have the range in neutral to be able to move the tractor, if not using the hydro pedal. When you let off the hyro pedals, it's like applying full force brakes.
Billy
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SmokyMtnMan
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Re: What\'s ailing my 4610?
It's been so messy here today with all the rain ..plus the fact that the area where it's at is a good hiking distance away i've not been able to do much with it. I didn't think about checking hyd. fluid until i got back to house. I just checked underneath for obstructions, clutch pedal, moved in and out of low/med/high...looked to make sure there was no unusual noises or whines...then it started getting so muddy i couldn't even walk around it.
even if i find out what's wrong it's got to dry up or freeze now before i can do anything.
in answers to some suggestions...yes, i can let it roll back down hill and get on somewhat level ground and do some checking, but have to get Kawasaki mule out from behind it somehow. It's in a real narrow log path in the woods, barely enough room for one vehicle.
main problem is..i can't get another vehicle over there where it's at. have to try to find a neighbor with a tractor who's able to when it's dried up.
and..i'm pretty sure it's not the low-med-high range. It goes in all gears like normal and neutral seems free. I can feel it locking in gear ranges ok.
best way i know to describe it is...when i press down on front of hyrdo pedal...it's like nothings there...like it's not connected or something. There's no noise, no whine, no lunging...just...nothing.
It's been so messy here today with all the rain ..plus the fact that the area where it's at is a good hiking distance away i've not been able to do much with it. I didn't think about checking hyd. fluid until i got back to house. I just checked underneath for obstructions, clutch pedal, moved in and out of low/med/high...looked to make sure there was no unusual noises or whines...then it started getting so muddy i couldn't even walk around it.
even if i find out what's wrong it's got to dry up or freeze now before i can do anything.
in answers to some suggestions...yes, i can let it roll back down hill and get on somewhat level ground and do some checking, but have to get Kawasaki mule out from behind it somehow. It's in a real narrow log path in the woods, barely enough room for one vehicle.
main problem is..i can't get another vehicle over there where it's at. have to try to find a neighbor with a tractor who's able to when it's dried up.
and..i'm pretty sure it's not the low-med-high range. It goes in all gears like normal and neutral seems free. I can feel it locking in gear ranges ok.
best way i know to describe it is...when i press down on front of hyrdo pedal...it's like nothings there...like it's not connected or something. There's no noise, no whine, no lunging...just...nothing.
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Re: What\'s ailing my 4610?
Smokey Mtn Man,
Did you look around the hydro pedal and linkage to see if everything is connected? May have had a pin fall out. I guess if the ranges snap in like before the shift lever is connected to the shaft.
Bud
Smokey Mtn Man,
Did you look around the hydro pedal and linkage to see if everything is connected? May have had a pin fall out. I guess if the ranges snap in like before the shift lever is connected to the shaft.
Bud
hwp
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Re: What\'s ailing my 4610?
I've been there a couple of times, but in both cases it was the range lever that got out of position. My guess is that is something really simple but you haven't got the best conditions to work in. My first thoughts, were the same as others that the range selector had popped into neutral. But you seem to think that is not the case. Do you have a neighbour with a tractor that could pull your tractor out? - at least to a point that you can work on it? Since it suddenly stopped pulling and you don't think it has anything to do with the range selector mechansim my guess is that it has somethng to do with the HST linkage, one end or the other.
BTW, the first time this happened to me, I got a neighbour to tow the tractor out of the bush, got it loaded on a trailer and took it to the dealer. His first question was, is the range selector in neutral? It was!! Did I ever feel dumb.
Keep us posted.
I've been there a couple of times, but in both cases it was the range lever that got out of position. My guess is that is something really simple but you haven't got the best conditions to work in. My first thoughts, were the same as others that the range selector had popped into neutral. But you seem to think that is not the case. Do you have a neighbour with a tractor that could pull your tractor out? - at least to a point that you can work on it? Since it suddenly stopped pulling and you don't think it has anything to do with the range selector mechansim my guess is that it has somethng to do with the HST linkage, one end or the other.
BTW, the first time this happened to me, I got a neighbour to tow the tractor out of the bush, got it loaded on a trailer and took it to the dealer. His first question was, is the range selector in neutral? It was!! Did I ever feel dumb.
Keep us posted.
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SmokyMtnMan
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Re: What\'s ailing my 4610?
I thought I would update a little on my problem. And thanks for all the suggestions and thoughts on this. I walked over to where tractor is just now through the mud and slush and took a list of your suggestions with me. I worked the range lever real good, trying to feel for anything that was abnormal, worked it in and out of low to med to neutral and back. At first I had a little trouble getting it out of low but a light tap on the brake got it out. I think the range lever and attachments are fine.
Next, I looked at where the clutch comes out through the floorboard underneath. I was by myself so i couldnt reach pedal and watch at same time, but I couldn't see anything not attached or not linked. Of course I'm not a mechanic so I may not have seen something.
Then i worked the hydro pedal with my hand and watched underneath. I couldn't get fully down under there with my body but I could see the rod coming from the hyrdo pedal, the spring it's attached to, and felt the movement as i touched rear of hydro pedal for reverse and front of pedal for forward motion. And again, not a mechanic but there just doesn't seem to be anything loose or not working properly.
Then I cranked her up, moved throttle lever a bit toward me, then engaged clutch, moved range lever in and out of neutral and low, heard and felt it lock into low...then stepped on hydro pedal.......nothing. No engine noise change, no jerk, no sound, no while, just as if that hydro pedal wasn't even there.
so then i checked hydro fluid......couldn't get to it real good but i made a funnel out of a paper towel holder and tried to get a little in.
Started it again...and nothing.
walked back to house.
I thought I would update a little on my problem. And thanks for all the suggestions and thoughts on this. I walked over to where tractor is just now through the mud and slush and took a list of your suggestions with me. I worked the range lever real good, trying to feel for anything that was abnormal, worked it in and out of low to med to neutral and back. At first I had a little trouble getting it out of low but a light tap on the brake got it out. I think the range lever and attachments are fine.
Next, I looked at where the clutch comes out through the floorboard underneath. I was by myself so i couldnt reach pedal and watch at same time, but I couldn't see anything not attached or not linked. Of course I'm not a mechanic so I may not have seen something.
Then i worked the hydro pedal with my hand and watched underneath. I couldn't get fully down under there with my body but I could see the rod coming from the hyrdo pedal, the spring it's attached to, and felt the movement as i touched rear of hydro pedal for reverse and front of pedal for forward motion. And again, not a mechanic but there just doesn't seem to be anything loose or not working properly.
Then I cranked her up, moved throttle lever a bit toward me, then engaged clutch, moved range lever in and out of neutral and low, heard and felt it lock into low...then stepped on hydro pedal.......nothing. No engine noise change, no jerk, no sound, no while, just as if that hydro pedal wasn't even there.
so then i checked hydro fluid......couldn't get to it real good but i made a funnel out of a paper towel holder and tried to get a little in.
Started it again...and nothing.
walked back to house.
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Re: What\'s ailing my 4610?
If this happen right after you changed ranges ( from med to low) then it is your linkage. Any time you do not move the shifter all the way over before pushing forward or backward the linkage jams but your shifter acts normal. You have to go undernear and pull the linkage back out where it goes into the transmission so your shifter reconnects to it. Good luck.
John
If this happen right after you changed ranges ( from med to low) then it is your linkage. Any time you do not move the shifter all the way over before pushing forward or backward the linkage jams but your shifter acts normal. You have to go undernear and pull the linkage back out where it goes into the transmission so your shifter reconnects to it. Good luck.
John
