Wheel Spacers and Tire Chains- Kubota B3200

   / Wheel Spacers and Tire Chains- Kubota B3200 #11  
Sorry for the confusion. Snowblower is mounted on the back off the rear PTO, Front end Loader is mounted on the front. The "it" was referring to the tractor, not the FEL. I should have been more clear in my description.
No confusion here except on my end, I didn't read it fully.

Just my opinion and not knowing the weight of the Snow Blower, you need weight on the rear tires to keep traction.
I would think the snow blower is heavy but just how heavy.
To get the most out of the chains, you may just need more weight, i.e. loaded rear tires.

What do you do in the warmer months for weight on the rear ?

Ltr
 
   / Wheel Spacers and Tire Chains- Kubota B3200
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#12  
The spec sheet calls out the snowblower weighing 700 lbs. Tractor specs are 1,700 lbs for machine alone, Im guessing the FEL is about 500 lbs and the BH maybe 750?. In warmer months I usually have the back hoe set up, occasionally box blade, scraper or rototiller. The FEL never comes off. Last week before I had a chance to hook up the snow blower i was clearing snow with the FEL while the back hoe was mounted and even with that I slide all over. I think my R4 tires just aren't that great in snow. There was a reason I didn't weight the tires originally, I got talked out of it but I don't remember what that reason was. Maybe the soggy soil that's typical where I live and I didn't want the extra weight to sink?
 
   / Wheel Spacers and Tire Chains- Kubota B3200 #13  
I recently tried out my b8200 4x4 with turf tires, loaded rear tires and front loader. I had about 2 wheelbarrow loads of ash wood in the rear carry all. In the snow the front tires do basicly nothing. It needs more front weight. Then I removed the loader (doing a ring gear). Now the front tires hardly touch the ground. The cutting brakes were my steering.
 
   / Wheel Spacers and Tire Chains- Kubota B3200 #14  
Rubber in the wet heavy snow of the Northeast doesn't work well on hills,
add chains the higher quality the better, end of problem.
It doesn't matter if you are running R1's R4's or turf wet heavy snow equals ice which needs chains.
 
   / Wheel Spacers and Tire Chains- Kubota B3200 #15  
Sorry for the confusion. Snowblower is mounted on the back off the rear PTO, Front end Loader is mounted on the front. The "it" was referring to the tractor, not the FEL. I should have been more clear in my description.

I thought front blower also so rear chains, spacers, rear blower will act as ballast also so maybe if you can find or make a bracket so you could hang some weight plates on the front end besides just using the FEL.
 
   / Wheel Spacers and Tire Chains- Kubota B3200 #16  
... I think my R4 tires just aren't that great in snow.

You're right. R4 tires are awful in snow. Chains help tremendously. There is also a thread on here somewhere about people siping their R4 tires (cutting grooves in the lugs with a special tool) which can make a significant difference in snow performance. Not as good as a good set of studded chains, but it can be enough to keep you going.
 
   / Wheel Spacers and Tire Chains- Kubota B3200 #17  
I have a 3600 and a 4310 they both have the same rims. The rims themselves can be adjusted I should say bolt into different holes on the rim to make them wider .I'm not sure if your rims are the same but might be worth taking a look at
 
   / Wheel Spacers and Tire Chains- Kubota B3200 #18  
Just added studded chains to the rear, and bought ladder chains for the much smaller front. We will see how they do in snow and ice -- maybe in a few hours, as they are predicted, but not sure there'll be much.

But I learned some things in the process, about chain clearance. The chain instructions say to center the chain on the width of the tire to start, but on the front wheels this does not work. They come down far enough on the inner sidewalls that they hit the power steering cylinder knuckle on the left, and may start hitting the tie rod knuckles on both sides. I set it aside for now but want to try them again by lengthening them and letting them ride high on the sidewalls on the inside, and using aggressive chain tensioners on the outside. Obviously the part of the chain on the treat itself won't care, as these are just ladder chains.

On the rear wheels I seemed OK from the start, but soon started hearing something colliding. The chain clamping mechanism on one wheel was sticking out too far and hitting the ROPS frame near its base. Eventually I figured out this has to do with whether there's an even or odd number of links in the long circumferential chain, because if there's an odd number, the clamping mechanism has to make up a twist, which can either tilt it toward the tire or away from it. Once I identified this and got strategic about the twist direction I never had that collision again. But there sure isn't much room in there.

Then I started having another chain - ROPS collision. There's a diagonal chain attachment, and the maker provides little D shackles. They are superior in the sense that you don't need to pull the chain further, hook it, and lose a centimeter of tension once it's hooked, as is the case with a quick link. However, they do stick out further to the side, and somehow one wound up with the side of the D through the circumferential chain link, rather than the straight bar of the D.

Next time I mount these I am going to use quick links, and I'm going to mark the chain so I know what's a good tension on the inner side and don't do any adjusting any more.

If you can picture it, the ideal would be to have the wheel off the tractor and mounted on a pedestal with the axis vertical and the inner sidewall pointed up. I'd put the chain on like I was putting a tablecloth on a round table, dressing it to get the right amount of consistent drape all around, and then start tensioning the bottom side. Well, no way I'm gonna get to do it that way, but that's the end result we're shooting for as far as chain placement is concerned.
 
   / Wheel Spacers and Tire Chains- Kubota B3200 #19  
Just added studded chains to the rear, and bought ladder chains for the much smaller front. We will see how they do in snow and ice -- maybe in a few hours, as they are predicted, but not sure there'll be much.

But I learned some things in the process, about chain clearance. The chain instructions say to center the chain on the width of the tire to start, but on the front wheels this does not work. They come down far enough on the inner sidewalls that they hit the power steering cylinder knuckle on the left, and may start hitting the tie rod knuckles on both sides. I set it aside for now but want to try them again by lengthening them and letting them ride high on the sidewalls on the inside, and using aggressive chain tensioners on the outside. Obviously the part of the chain on the treat itself won't care, as these are just ladder chains.

On the rear wheels I seemed OK from the start, but soon started hearing something colliding. The chain clamping mechanism on one wheel was sticking out too far and hitting the ROPS frame near its base. Eventually I figured out this has to do with whether there's an even or odd number of links in the long circumferential chain, because if there's an odd number, the clamping mechanism has to make up a twist, which can either tilt it toward the tire or away from it. Once I identified this and got strategic about the twist direction I never had that collision again. But there sure isn't much room in there.

Then I started having another chain - ROPS collision. There's a diagonal chain attachment, and the maker provides little D shackles. They are superior in the sense that you don't need to pull the chain further, hook it, and lose a centimeter of tension once it's hooked, as is the case with a quick link. However, they do stick out further to the side, and somehow one wound up with the side of the D through the circumferential chain link, rather than the straight bar of the D.

Next time I mount these I am going to use quick links, and I'm going to mark the chain so I know what's a good tension on the inner side and don't do any adjusting any more.

If you can picture it, the ideal would be to have the wheel off the tractor and mounted on a pedestal with the axis vertical and the inner sidewall pointed up. I'd put the chain on like I was putting a tablecloth on a round table, dressing it to get the right amount of consistent drape all around, and then start tensioning the bottom side. Well, no way I'm gonna get to do it that way, but that's the end result we're shooting for as far as chain placement is concerned.

The following link is how I install my chains, it is the easiest way that I have found.
https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/snow-removal/405039-mounting-tire-chains.html?highlight=

One issue you may find with trying to mount your front chains in a lopsided manner is that they will likely try to walk the rest of the way off, which will result in the chain traveling higher in one portion and lower in the opposite portion and interfering with you axle components.
The most successful front chains on that size off front tires seem to be the ATV/UTV diamond pattern.
Good Luck.
 
   / Wheel Spacers and Tire Chains- Kubota B3200 #20  
The following link is how I install my chains, it is the easiest way that I have found.
https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/snow-removal/405039-mounting-tire-chains.html?highlight=
[...]
The most successful front chains on that size off front tires seem to be the ATV/UTV diamond pattern.
Good Luck.

Yes, I'd prefer this to ladder chains anyway. When I bought chains I was more focused on the rears, and tried to buy all my chains from the same place, which turned out to be tirechainsrus.com. But now I think I might like to look for ATV/UTV diamond pattern chains with studs no matter where I need to go. I remember it was hard to find chains to fit my small fronts (25X8.50-14).

Anybody got any tips on buying small diamond pattern studded ATV chains? Who has the most sizes?

Thanks!
 

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