Where Do You Look First or Most For Tractors and Attachments?

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Larry_NFES said:
Ron,
Thanks for the feedback. As you can see, the trend here is that my site is lacking in navigation friendlyness and the red needs to go! I agree and will be working with the design firm too make some changes starting Monday!
Thanks for being honest and taking the time to offer your input!
Larry

Larry, there is definitely one thing I would leave in red on your website. That 800-number at the top is very noticeable and I would not change that. One item in bold red gets your attention. Too many items takes away from its purpose.

BTW: I don't know how many people agree with me, but I really, really like Neil Messick's site at Messicks.com That could also be something to show your web developer. If you aren't aware of his site, give it a look. I think he has done a fantastic job. I didn't think to look at his site and compare my comments until after I had posted my response to your site. I just came from Neil's site and most of what I suggested is represented well on his site.

You guys aren't competitors, are you?;)
 
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jinman said:
Larry, there is definitely one thing I would leave in red on your website. That 800-number at the top is very noticeable and I would not change that....BTW: I don't know how many people agree with me, but I really, really like Neil Messick's site at Messicks.com That could also be something to show your web developer....You guys aren't competitors, are you?;)

Jim,
I agree..Messicks site is very nice and I have referred to their site in specifying our site development to the developer. They are a large multi-store franchise and certainly have bigger pockets than we do. That's not say that our site is "cheaper" but the more money you can throw at something, the better the results.

They are not really our direct competition although at times we do have customers that have priced them also. Our local Kubota dealer is probably our main competition with other nearby NH and Case dealers coming in a close second. We still seperate ourselves by the service and support we offer and thankfully that holds alot of value to our customers. If a customer is strickly shopping price, then we will not win their business...period. If they cannot see the value of working with an established dealer that has been serving the community for four decades, then there is no changing their mind.

Its the same as buying a cheap lawn mower from Home Depot or Sears and then expecting us to put them first when it needs repairs, which it almost always does. Buyers should always consider the "entire package" when making a buying decision and go with the dealer that will be there for them in the long haul. That's worth a few more dollars anyday if you ask me.

I'm excited about making changes to our site and I am also going to reconsider our marketing stratagy based on the positive and constructive input I have received here. There is no one right answer but the easier I can make, the better informed the buyer will be and hopefully the additional sales will come with that.

Thanks Jim,
Larry
 
   / Where Do You Look First or Most For Tractors and Attachments? #23  
Larry,
Thanks for the interest. It is great to hear from a sales manager that is interested in my opinion for a change. :D I live in a farming community and there are dealers of all colors to pick from. I regularly see advertising of all kinds on many different venues. When I was researching my NH purchase I visited all the dealers in my area, and ended up with a dealer in the next state. Why? Because his web site showed me the tractor I was looking for and the price that seemed reasonable. Dealership was great to work with, both with email first (quickly and accurately answered with information, and requested pictures) and again ounce I made the decision to do a hands on at their site. (simple explanation of tractor, and quick question & answer session, then left me alone to do test drive of tractor with follow up question & answering after). Couldn’t ask for more.
Nothing kills interest quicker than not receiving timely answer to email inquiry. If you don’t have the time to answer email, I don’t have time to begging. 

What catches my eye? Good question. I should say that it depends on what I am looking for at the moment. And don’t forget I am always looking. I know where all my dealers are. I know what tractor brands they carry, and I have a good idea of what to expect from each dealer as far as attitude towards customer. But what I don’t always know is what implement brands they carry or what they have in stock, both new and used.
What will turn my head is any up front display of equipment as I drive by. Not only new equipment but used. Show me the goodies. All of us tractor people LOOK as we drive by! :D Just dreaming of a way to use what you have on display.
This goes for web sites also. With the advent of the internet we have discovered a new way of shopping. With out a website, YOU LOOSE. Forum’s like TBN are a huge help to both new and returning buyers in learning and understanding what is available for there particular needs. Since we have read all about what we are considering we naturally turn to the web to seek more information on the products and dealers of our choosing.
That is where your web site begins. We want to know who you are, where you are, what you can offer us, and what else you are willing to do for us. Now if you’re not in my area, (my driving range is about a day drive round trip, and I can usually easily handle a pickup truck load) then we want to know how you can get it to us.

Usually the first thing I look for on a site is a “SEARCH” function. Right away, where I can find it immediately. Don’t want to dig through a long list of items that may or may not be of interest to me. I came to your site to look for something specific. Let me search right to what I am looking for, see a PICTURE of it, and a rough PRICE! Now I am interested. I know whether you can help me, or if I need to keep looking elsewhere.

Checking out your site, I would say that it is better than average. I really like the priced thumbnails. Gets my attention, and lets me know right away if this is a site that might be of some use to me. Like others have said, the Greeting is wordy, and not linkable, just glossed over it, and looked for details. Way too many unlinked pictures in header. Give me something to look at but take me to the details. When browsing to your available equipment, I would like to see pictures. For me it is quicker, but I realize that that for slow internet connection this is a pain. Give me an option. I don’t have time to wade through the descriptions of all the items to determine if there is something I could use.
As far as the best bang for the buck advertising? Your being on this site and asking for opinions will go a long way in getting you word of mouth recognition. It is up to you to take the advice given and run with it. We are always looking for any information from a dealer perspective. I personally wish more dealers would participate in this type of forum. It would be great to have both Niagara Frontier sales, and Niagara Frontier service represented.
I would like to say again thanks for asking.  You’re on the right track, just keep tweaking. I agree with jinman, Messicks does a good job if your looking for examples. I think more dealers should be asking these same questions if they expect to be around in the future. I see way to many of the Major manufactures sites that don’t seem to have taken the net into account for their future sales. I think that is a mistake as the market becomes more internet savvy. Now if NH would just ask how their web site could be improved…..
Just my opinion
John
 
   / Where Do You Look First or Most For Tractors and Attachments? #24  
If they cannot see the value of working with an established dealer that has been serving the community for four decades, then there is no changing their mind.

Its the same as buying a cheap lawn mower from Home Depot or Sears and then expecting us to put them first when it needs repairs, which it almost always does. Buyers should always consider the "entire package" when making a buying decision and go with the dealer that will be there for them in the long haul. That's worth a few more dollars anyday if you ask me.

Larry,
There has to be a compromise somewhere in the "low price" to "great service" theory. when I purchased my Kubota, the dealer ONE MILE from my place quoted high. Then I hit the web and got a NC price, and then went back to my local guy and said “please charge me MORE than the guy in NC” , but not THAT much more - understanding and respecting the buy local mantra.

Nope, his price was his price. Fast forward to this year, now. I called him last week and explained to the new guy right up front why they lost my business on the tractor, but and a HUGE BUT here - they lost all my implement and parts business, which came to another 15-20K.

So when I asked him “if the guy in NC is making money on his tractor at ( XYZ) price why aren’t you? His answer, we give service, support, blah, blah, blah. I then said why don’t you just BE like the guy in NC and blow out hundreds of tractors and never hear from the customer again, no answer.

You see the service and support thing is a good, and stale diatribe in the year of the web. The dealer, in fact no dealer has heard from me since the day I got my tractor, so if I had paid the additional 8k to my local guy, what service did I get, what support did I get. And besides I paid for ( whatever warranty ) the service & support when I purchased the tractor - no matter what price I paid for the unit. Would my local guy give me any money back from the 8k premium if I did not bug him for service or support, I think not.

If me the customer, feels ripped off by the price of the tractor, well then, I won’t even purchase a quart of oil from that dealer. On the other hand if the dealer is fair to me - then they get it all, because I do not have time to price shop every minute of the day.

What we the customers have that is worth a whole lot more than “support & service” - is loyalty.

You know I still don’t think my local guy gets it, and I can’t cram simple business models down his throat, but I sure do feel sorry for him, and would love to buy from him - BUT, looks like I’ll be calling NC again. In fact the guy in NC flat out said they make between $400.00 and 800.00 a tractor. See how great that is, knowing no matter how I configure the tractor their margins will be low. It’s win win for both of us, The dealers gets them in goes through them and puts them on a trailer to me . Wham Bam Thank You mam.

Personally I think people that are blowing product out the door at low margins are brilliant. They are using the Costco/Sams club/WalMart philosophy. Sell a lot of stuff at lower margins than the other guy. You can’t argue with that logic judging the sales they generate.

Now I’m not just blathering here, well maybe a little, but I practice these principles daily in my business, and have blown my completion out of the water EVERY TIME, and have loyal customers for years that will never even entertain a proposal from another firm.

Customers aren’t shy, as you can see, they will tell you what they want - mine did, and I listened.
 
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Larry_NFES said:
Jim,
I agree..Messicks site is very nice and I have referred to their site in specifying our site development to the developer. They are a large multi-store franchise and certainly have bigger pockets than we do. That's not say that our site is "cheaper" but the more money you can throw at something, the better the results.

Thanks for the compliment. Our site was actually "free". I do all the web development when sales are slow. If you can hire a person who can do your computer work as well as contribute in other ways its a really good way to lower your IT expenses. Good web development is really expensive!

I've enjoyed your marketing thread. We've have the most success by staying in local papers long term. I think if you jump from one thing to the next you don't see consistant results. Online marketing and sales are okay, but it takes 10 times the work to make a sale come together.
 
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Kendall69 said:
Larry,
There has to be a compromise somewhere in the "low price" to "great service" theory....So when I asked him “if the guy in NC is making money on his tractor at ( XYZ) price why aren’t you? I then said why don’t you just BE like the guy in NC and blow out hundreds of tractors and never hear from the customer again, no answer....If me the customer, feels ripped off by the price of the tractor, well then, I won’t even purchase a quart of oil from that dealer. On the other hand if the dealer is fair to me - then they get it all, because I do not have time to price shop every minute of the day....In fact the guy in NC flat out said they make between $400.00 and 800.00 a tractor....Customers aren’t shy, as you can see, they will tell you what they want - mine did, and I listened.

Kendall69..
Again you make some valid points and the guys in NC have been a thorn in our side for quite some time. The main advantage they have is their location. They can truck to Dublin, Georgia and pickup thier tractors for hundreds less than what I pay to have them trucked to me by NH. If they are only only making $400 to $800 on each tractor, I cant even meet that price because it cost me on average $500 to $700 to get the tractors trucked to me. I cant eat that cost and make any money and well, I have to make SOME money to stay in business!

Margins on compact tractors are always very low to start with. Salesmen are usually commisioned salesmen and they have sell quite a few to make draw. The bigger issue here is that by blowing the tractors out at or near cost, you cant expect to sell them for any more than that in the futre and you are actually de-valuating the tractor in the market place. There has to be some perceived value when you are shopping for a tractor. When you go to a cadillace dealer, you expect to pay more than going to a Kia dealer. Some things are just built better than others and simply last longer, perform better, and dont break down every other day.

This is a tough arguement and I do agree that getting volumes of business is important but it cant be at the expensive of true equipment value. I guess it works differently in each state and county and people will pay what the market will bear and what their percieved value point is. Sooner or later a dealer will drop his pants clear to his ankles and step up to the plate as the "wholesale dealer"...if not our NC buddies, then someone else will. Its a matter of how you react to it and a what lengths you are willing to go and not take a loss.

Again, I appreciate the honesty and speaking what you truly feel. It all helps me in determining what directions I need to go or at least consider.

Thanks,
Larry
 
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MessickFarmEqu said:
Thanks for the compliment. Our site was actually "free". I do all the web development when sales are slow...development is really expensive! I've enjoyed your marketing thread....

Messick,
Thanks for the input. Can you tell me what you use to design your site? Do you use FrontPage or DreamWeaver or what? I used screen shots of your site when I was specifying our website and what I got really wasn't what I expected. Its nice and all, but your right, its not cheap! And every change request costs $$$! I can control the used equipment listings and picture uploads and also control the home page center picture for content. Beyond that, the layout is static and requires $$ to make changes!

Before this thread, had you ever heard of us? Just curious how widespread our dealer name is.

Also, when you say local papers, are you referring to the free to the customer penny savers or retailer type magazines that come out once a week or are these papers like your paid local Journal that comes out on a daily basis?

Are you the marketing person or sales manager or are you like me and wear 5 different hats? That's another issue. Not being able to focus 100% effort on a project leaves it half a@# when complete. Its sad but true that businesses expect more from fewer people and things suffer because of it.

Thanks again..
Larry
 
   / Where Do You Look First or Most For Tractors and Attachments? #28  
I also appreciate the prices and PICTURES! The only thing I found a bit hard is I was looking for implements under the used section and it was kind of a long list of stuff that I didn't know what it meant. (Like the NH Snow blowers model num).

I believe I actually bought a Landpride rear blade from you (well the company).
 
   / Where Do You Look First or Most For Tractors and Attachments? #29  
Simple way to generate tons of web traffic is to post the order guides as .pdf files! No, I'm not talking about posting your price from NH (though it's an 'open secret') but posting the latest order guides, with list prices, much as the State of Minnesota does on their site. I found that to be an invaluable resource in my own efforts. As far as pricing, local dealers are nice, but there's no way the 'local' service is worth four or five extra thousand. My 'other' local dealer was actually cheaper than the folks in NC on my TN60A, and he's not a big volume dealer. He just has lower overhead, is content with a slightly lower margin, and also carries other lines to diversify his offerings. His service is great, too, and no, I'm not related to him, either :p Face it, tractors are commodities, and the days of making high margins on commodity items are just about behind us, thanks to the web :) Dealers need to start thinking in terms of bidding for each customer, rather than expecting us, as the customer, to 'drop our trousers', as you put it.
 
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I buy the heavy equipment trader -EVERY- week. ( much to the dismay of my wife).

TraderOnline.com Classified Ads

I also like to hit tractor places that have their own websites.

Soundguy
 

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