Where was your generator made?

[Hay Dude]

What you need to find is a manufacturer's marketing flyer with where it is made or assembled.

In the HVAC field, guys would always say "made in America" but they were wrong. It is assembled in the USA, not "made in the USA". Even then, they were including the entire line sold by the manufacturer, but that is not always the case as some models are made elsewhere outside the US.

Guys on the street could add their own fudge factor, but the manufacturer can not.

”Cummins home standby generators are designed and built in the United States.”

Looks pretty clear cut to me.

 

[ultrarunner]

My uncle has a small WWII winco 115 volt USA

I have a 1975 Winco made in USA but it’s LOUD with a 30 amp auto transfer switch.

I have a couple Honda's and am surprised to learn they "may" have been made in China. I also thought Geneac used to advertise they were made in the USA. I have no experience with Winco.

 

[Sigarms]

”Cummins home standby generators are designed and built in the United States.”

Looks pretty clear cut to me.

Know nothing about the generator market other than the training I went to for Generac.

That said, York HVAC systems (Owned by JCI, recently bought out by Bosch up to 50 tons) are built in Wichita Kansas. Been at the facility probably over 40 times. They are built in the USA.

That said, there is a difference between "built" and "made" by legal definition that a manufacturer can claim.

York HVAC systems although may be built in the USA, legally, they are "assembled in the USA" not "Made in the USA".

By legal definition, are the parts supplied by Cummins enough to meet the percentage of parts allowed by the US government to lay legal claim to "Made in America"?

Off the record, I don't go to the facility in Kansas anymore because I told my boss I'd prefer not to put one in my own home LOL

The irony is the only other HVAC manufacturer that can lay claim to "assembled in the USA" claim is in Texas and they sold out to a Japanese company a ways back.

Neither HVAC manufacture (at least at the time I went to both) could claim "made in the USA" but only "assembled in the USA".

 

[5030]

”Cummins home standby generators are designed and built in the United States.”

Looks pretty clear cut to me.

If I'm not mistaken, Cummins has their blocks cast in India....

Ingersoll Rand (compressors) has their compressor pumps cast and assembled in India...

 

[DarkBlack]

USA for the Kohler

Kohler engines are assembled from parts from China

 

[Hay Dude]

Know nothing about the generator market other than the training I went to for Generac.

That said, York HVAC systems (Owned by JCI, recently bought out by Bosch up to 50 tons) are built in Wichita Kansas. Been at the facility probably over 40 times. They are built in the USA.

That said, there is a difference between "built" and "made" by legal definition that a manufacturer can claim.

York HVAC systems although may be built in the USA, legally, they are "assembled in the USA" not "Made in the USA".

By legal definition, are the parts supplied by Cummins enough to meet the percentage of parts allowed by the US government to lay legal claim to "Made in America"?

Off the record, I don't go to the facility in Kansas anymore because I told my boss I'd prefer not to put one in my own home LOL

The irony is the only other HVAC manufacturer that can lay claim to "assembled in the USA" claim is in Texas and they sold out to a Japanese company a ways back.

Neither HVAC manufacture (at least at the time I went to both) could claim "made in the USA" but only "assembled in the USA".

Cummins owns Onan. According to the website, Onans are made in China and Cummins are made in USA

 

[grsthegreat]

the old time Onan generators were all USA manufactured and assembled. then they sold out to Cummins. After that sale, it became harder and harder to get parts for the older Onans. i had a great cast iron 7KW workhorse Onan that was bullet proof...up until the sale. than parts became real hard to find. i sold it to a guy back east that wanted it for parts. he paid a good deal of $$$ and covered freight.

 

[Sigarms]

Cummins owns Onan. According to the website, Onans are made in China and Cummins are made in USA

I looked and the only thing I could find was "Built in the USA".

Either way, I understand I'm arguing semantics here, but after dealing with manufacturers marketing departments, legally, it's unbelievable what you have to do to state "Made in the USA" on advertising from a manufacturer.

As mentioned, no nothing about how they build generators, but within the HVAC world, it's impossible for the manufacturer's to meet the guidelines set forth to use parts that are made in the USA as well (EVERY single HVAC unit you buy has X amount of parts from China or some other place).

I stopped associating with JCI (AKA York) some years ago, so perhaps things have changed on all the legalities. I do know one reason for the semantics so to speak is a lot of companies were claiming "made in the USA" even when they would import the equipment overseas, because Americans generally associated "made in the USA" with quality. That's why they at least used to have the "assembled in the USA" logo, and when you think about it, is no different than "built in America" with is different than "made in the USA".

On my end with work, sad to say, I don't always see that being the case. Next system I install in my own home (up in the attic) will have a Carrier name, but it is 100% made in China.

Ironically enough, Bosch equipment has grown on me on how they utilize a inverter compressor, but they are 100% made in China. As noted, Bosch bought JCI (AKA York) and I'm sincerely hoping Bosch can implement the quality control they have in China to the Wichita facility. By the same token, I'm also hoping JCI can improve Bosch's software that contractors have to use because Bosch's implementing of software 100% sucks. Go figure...

The same company who makes Bosch's wall mount air handlers is the exact same facility that makes Carriers wall mount air handlers, all made in China. Go figure as well.