Which oil is king?

   / Which oil is king? #111  
Re: Which oil is king? -ALL BRAND NAMES!

Ok, before this goes into yet another debate between ford and some Jap car, lets go back ot the thread topic.

All I will say is that "IF" you think some oil is better do an oil analysis. I though Mobil was good until I did an oil analysis, nope after that.

And if you need any guns please contact me /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif Have to add that! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
   / Which oil is king? #112  
Re: Which oil is king? -ALL BRAND NAMES!

I have several analysis from 2 labs still say the same results same engine and same 2 oils.. mobil 1 0w30 and amsoil 0w30 the results are pretty conclusive. smoke and mirrors can't fool the analysisers...
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---->I'm amazed at how each person can need the same product say HDO and have some many reasons as to why one will do this or that one can do that and when it boils down to it basicaly in the last 20 years technology has improved so much i dare say there is no real product that will realy keep your tractor,car, truck etc.. any more than the rest. Who realy can justify spending say $4-$8 a qt vs $1.08 can you say your tractor, car etc.. will go say 300K vs 1.2-2.4 Million miles in my case with some of my VW's or 5000hrs vw 15-20K hrs? Do you realy believe your engine wear due to that inferior Brand X CI-4 oil that has passed more test and went through more research and countless trillion miles vs what they had 10-20yrs ago? /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
 
   / Which oil is king? #113  
Re: Which oil is king? -ALL BRAND NAMES!

This is just too funny. Even with having the oil analyzed, no one can agree. Where will it end?
 
   / Which oil is king? #114  
Re: Which oil is king? -ALL BRAND NAMES!

Cheese; remember getting rear ended by a Ford years ago. Put a little dent in me bumper. He had to get towed!

EGON


Escorts don't count /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / Which oil is king? #115  
Re: Which oil is king? -ALL BRAND NAMES!

"All I will say is that "IF" you think some oil is better do an oil analysis. I though Mobil was good until I did an oil analysis, nope after that.-----"

But GXER /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif, that is exactly what I did among other things and I liked the results I got but also admit they are not conclusive.Oil analysis is not the end all.
Why Billy P do you think this thread should be locked. No one is fighting, just some serious rib poking. Some of my ribs look kinda swollen but no black eyes. All is well, cheer up.
Oh, and Cowboydoc, I always feel bad when I have been mean to someone and I was mean to you, I don't know why I do that sometimes /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif.
We use oil analysis in aviation to look for particular types of metal or other chemical traces that indicate a trend. It is mostly useful only when it is consistently done. A sudden increase in iron after say 1000 hours or an upward trend might indicate a bearing or some such about to fail or some other unusual wear like a cam etc. Anyway, it is the TREND we watch. One single oil analysis by itself is not much use. I don't think switching oil types on the same engine with oil analysis would be useful either because your "control" has been lost. What would you be comparing? In order to compare validly different oils using oil analysis you would need several engines each run with a particular product and the "trends" compared---that would be useful. A single analysis or switching around products on the same engine--not useful nor does it really proove anything.
J
 
   / Which oil is king? #116  
Re: Which oil is king? -ALL BRAND NAMES!

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( All I will say is that "IF" you think some oil is better do an oil analysis. I though Mobil was good until I did an oil analysis, nope after that. )</font>

What was in the analysis that said Mobil was inferior? Please be specific.
What did you compare the sample to? Mobil vs X?
How many miles were on the samples of comparison?
What oil are you using now?
How many samples do you have for comparison?

I have never had an oil analysis done.
 
   / Which oil is king? #117  
Re: Which oil is king? -ALL BRAND NAMES!

TresCrows- Oil analysis is not the end all but it give you a good baseline to go start with. If I have (2) oils and the engine is running correctly and one comes back better then the other, one is of lesser quality or just not right for this application. So you can use oil testing to judge oils. It also helps notice a problem in the future but it also says a lot about the oil too. If the OX levels are high then the oils additive package sucks.

Again in MY applications certain oil performed poorly in my 1997 Ford Powerastroke . The truck worked great but just thought the quality was not there. Very cheap for the price you pay.

I tried Cummins Blue=ok, Mobil/Delvac=ok+, Ford oil=ok, Fleetguard=ok+. I tried them and left in for 3K miles each and was not impressed. Does this mean there are junk oil? Not to everyone I guess, but I sure as [censored] would never use them in my engines. I am sure people like there &#8220;good-old&#8221; oil along with their Ford vs Chevy debates; however, things do change. I tried the oils that people said worked great. Well, not in my app and you could not give them to me to user. Nor would I even use some $2.50 qt oil in my BX, Lexus, or my GSX-R motorcycle. Not even my wife's MB. Then again I would never own an American car either. This is also weird. My car says use regular oil and her Mercedes-Benz only says to use synthetic. Weird /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif


Also I lot of oil companies will NOT give a fixed drain for diesels since there usually burn like crap (ie, fuel in oil, heat, not running right etc). I should not say fixed but they really do not like to extended drains much farther then the manufacture.

Lastly, there is no one oil good for all applications. In my applications (which are only 5 or 6) the oil I chose is great. Does not mean in the next guy's car it will be use as good. It should be close if the engine is running correctly. The oil test should be very close but I would not expect the same.

*oh, I work in the aerospace industry and we also use oil testing in our apps. All engines from Boeing 777, New JSF, 737, B1 /B2. They all use synthetic oil and do use oil testing. But then again oil tests mean nothing since the planes are always needing parts. If the oil tests come back high with some element they change 90% of the engine. We engineer this engines so tight and they still are maintained hog's. But then again the spare parts is were we make the money.

So to close,use whatever oil you want. If you think it is Mobil, use it. Wal-mart, use. I know what protects and is best in my apps. I did not spend a lot of $$ on cars and throw in some $2 QT of oil. Pay now or pay down the road.

The neverending oil. It is also as bad as the Glock vs HK people? /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
   / Which oil is king? #118  
Re: Which oil is king? -ALL BRAND NAMES!

The neverending oil. It is also as bad as the Glock vs HK people?

GLOCK /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif.
I still don't see how switching oil in the same engine could ever show anything. How would one know that one oil deposited a film or sludge, high in metal from wear, and the next oil due to different detergent capacity flushed it out?
I think oil analysis is good as a trend watcher just like they do on the turbines you mentioned. I don't understand your method because it is contaminated but I am glad that you are happy with whatever it is you are now using.
I put my oil to the test other night. There is a fellow with a Honda CBR 9somethingother. I knew he was itching to demonstrate how much faster his bike is than mine. There was not any traffic and the road was Flatter than Kansas so I hit 135, he hit 155, he took his exit and when I shot out of the other side and glanced back while still at warp speed all I could see was blue lights. I figured my friend was in jail for sure but turns out they had a drunk pulled over. He said the cops were looking at him and saw me go by. He said he nearly lit his front tire on fire trying to get to a legal speed--I bet his eyes were bugged out on stems when he saw those cops /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif. That was about the time another friend went by in his souped up Chevy truck doing a good 125 making lot's of noise. Poor cops /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif could not decide what to do, keep the drunk, chase the guy on the Suzuki, arrest the guy they saw go down the exit at 150, pursue the Chevy bright red truck with glass packs at 125 or just go get a donut. I think they chose donuts /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif. Good choice coppers /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Oh, my Mobil 1 held up just fine /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif. When you are breaking the law it is comforting to know that I got Mobil 1 on my side. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif. J
 
   / Which oil is king? #119  
Re: Which oil is king? -ALL BRAND NAMES!

What oil are you using now?

Could you post the actual results from Mobil and what your using now? I'm curious to see what is actually in your oil sample report.

I always thought Mobil was a good oil however I don't have anything to prove that. I have been using Valvoline myself.
 
   / Which oil is king? #120  
Re: Which oil is king? -ALL BRAND NAMES!

TresCrows -- At least we both like the Glocks! I have the 23. 26 and just got the 28.
 

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