Which tooth bar for my 84" bucket?

[Smokeydog]

Used both on tough Tennessee mountain red clay with rocks. Wasted my time and money on a bolt in regular toothbar.
Piranha bar bucket can clear trees/brush twice as fast as my wicked grapple. Can’t beat wicked grapple for grabbing or moving piles or trees/logs.
Maybe for your size a dedicated tooth bucket so your not having to push a double thick bucket lip through clay?
My tractor came with and will handle a 84” bucket. I prefer 5-6’ bucket for rough in work and digging.
Easy and cheap to rent a skid steer toothed bucket to try. Dealer may even let you try one out for free or comp you rental if you buy.
Expect to see some rolling eyes when you say you are going dig hard rocky clay with a 84” bucket with a ag tractor.

 

[RoyKing]

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Used both on tough Tennessee mountain red clay with rocks. Wasted my time and money on a bolt in regular toothbar.
Piranha bar bucket can clear trees/brush twice as fast as my wicked grapple. Can稚 beat wicked grapple for grabbing or moving piles or trees/logs.
Maybe for your size a dedicated tooth bucket so your not having to push a double thick bucket lip through clay?
My tractor came with and will handle a 84 bucket. I prefer 5-6 bucket for rough in work and digging.
Easy and cheap to rent a skid steer toothed bucket to try. Dealer may even let you try one out for free or comp you rental if you buy.
Expect to see some rolling eyes when you say you are going dig hard rocky clay with a 84 bucket with a ag tractor.

Which grapple do you have? Mine has short lower tines, more of root rake design, many have longer lower tines for carrying/scooping. My thoughts are short tines shorter than bucket gives you more leverage to tear things up. It weighs 600# much more than a bucket. Also it is 66" wide Ar400 steel so less twist on FEL frame and tougher than a bucket. So that how I plan to strip the area of foliage small trees roots and not move a lot soil. When top foliage is gone then I want to score the clay couple inches at time to move it to a new location. When I hit occasional flint usually they are soft I hope stab and break them, then roll them out. With old tractor I used a sod buster, box scraper with tines, then a soil scoop. It worked but was slow. But I moved many cubic yards when I could not afford truck loads, or had to improve drainage. Now I want to line tools up and just get out of the AC cab to change them. Older and fatter

 

[Smokeydog]

Which tooth bar for my 84" bucket?

Good plan. EA makes good stuff. 54” wicked double clamp, long bottom on the B26, 72”, T1 steel skid steer grapple on the M59. It’s heavy but strong. 20+years old and bunch of hours. Back when I got it I had weld a bobtach yoke to my M5030 loader frame to use a grapple. They share use of a Danuser Intimidator grapple too. After grubbing trees and clearing miles of fence lines for decades I’m all for making life easy now.

 

[JOHNTHOMAS]

Roy, Roy, Roy. At least, I think three of us, have owned tooth bars and then Pirinha bars and have described doing what you are talking about doing and expressing our recommendation of the Piriniha over the toothbar under almost the same conditions your telling you have but you say you don't want a Piriniha like your just after recommendations for what you've already made up your mind to do.:confused3:
I've owned a toothbar and it was one of the most worthless implements I've ever owned. I've owned a RatchtRake and it was one of the best implements I've ever owned. I've owned several tractors and I've been landscaping hillside, rocky clay soil for 15 years. I refused, like you, to buy the Piriniha after loving the RR for over 10 years. I was really impressed with the RR. I've later bought several more acres and yes I own a grapple, two grapples actually, and I finally broke down and bought a Pirinha and it it the greatest digger I've owned. I sit on my tractor and just drop the front edge of the bucket, if I want to dig a hole, and work the bucket back and forth and it will dig a hole thru my clay and rocks and then I can start scooping up or digging a strip from the edge of the hole which is completely dug and not just a bunch os scraped tooth marks.
Listen to your own pre decision and listen to those who have never owned both and then spend your money however you want to and be blessed but those of us thta have the Pirinhas and are done while your still digging will be laughing.:laughing::laughing::laughing::drink:

 

[Oldoak]

RoyKing, before you make any decision, just ask yourself what do you see on any piece of construction equipment designed for digging. Be it a type of bucket loader, excavator, backhoe, etc? You don't see any industrial machines with Piranha bars. All accept an occasional specialized bucket, all have ordinary standard type teeth. Could it be because nothing beats them for digging?

Let the facts speak for themselves and not personal preferences alone. We all have our own.

 

[RoyKing]

ALL RIGHT I'M NOW CONVINCED I DON'T KNOW!

So I'm going to wait till I spend some time with both. Just spent some time watching a front end loader clearing some land, and a skid steer with a grapple. Know full well my M7060 can't put that much force to the ground.

So I now look at piranha bars also found another heavy hitch

 

[RoyKing]

Wasted time watching tooth bar and piranha bar and heavy hitch videos. They all claim to improve a plain bucket but no direct compares, all the vids were smaller CUTs and buckets. So I'm in the 70hp with 84" bucket class. STILL CONFUSED.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Wasted time watching tooth bar and piranha bar and heavy hitch videos. They all claim to improve a plain bucket but no direct compares, all the vids were smaller CUTs and buckets. So I'm in the 70hp with 84" bucket class. STILL CONFUSED.

I have an 84" material bucket and a 78" digging bucket for my 75 hp tractor. The digging bucket is on most of the time.

 

[Smokeydog]

Which tooth bar for my 84" bucket?

BXpanded.com are the makers of the Piranha toothbar. They specialize in making compact tractors perform better. They’re 20 minutes from my farm. Met with Ryan Clearman. My bucket was too worn for a bolt in bar so they made a special extra wide one to weld on. They have made bars over 100”. One thing he said was if the Piranha bar makes a small tractor dig better just think the performance improvement on a bigger machine. My M59 loader is no slouch.
The heavy hitch bar looks better than the toothbar I tried.

 

[RoyKing]

I've converted piranha