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[Charlie_Iliff]

Re: Woven/Horse fence unroller.

<font color="red"> I wouldn't pull more than two hundred feet or so at a time. You just can't get the consistant tension from end to end. </font>

Harv: I don't buy bigger than 200' roolls, and don't try to tension with this rig. We just unroll and tie it up here and there with binder twine. I then put a clumsy old fence clamp (two 5' long 3" hat sections face to face) and stretch it tight with the Power trac every 4 to 8 posts, depending on terrain. That gets the 2"x4" no-climb pretty smooth. I have not come up with an easy way to get that miserable diamond weave horse wire tight enough to look good. I could do it several hard ways, but decided abandoning that stuff is a better choice. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[Anonymous Poster]

Re: Woven/Horse fence unroller.

Thanks, i appreciate that. I can come up with a disc. That's a lot simpler. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Larry

 

[wroughtn_harv]

Re: Woven/Horse fence unroller.

I have a bud who puts up a lot of field fence, barbwire, nonclimb, etc.

For doing barbwire he stacks a disc, then a roll of barbwire, disc, roll of barbwire, disc and so on. He has a stake that stands on on his flatbed and he can drive out five strands of barbwire at a time.

I've thought that a platform that would hold the nonclimb in a cage similar to mine but that fit on a three point hook up would be the ticket for a lot of folks. What would make it really trick would be a braking system so the posts could be finished off as the wire is rolled out.

The best idea I've come up with for a brake for the roll would be feeding the wire through a maze almost. Let's say you had the cage with the two guide posts like mine has. And you and another guide post that could be manuevered into a position ninety degrees from the opening between the guide posts. It could provide the resistance to give the proper tension for a good installation.

I'll have to work on it. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

 

[Anonymous Poster]

Re: Woven/Horse fence unroller.

The last time i did barb, i was halfawy up with the 3rd strand before i even thought about a better way. slow, real slow.
I like that stacked disc idea a lot.

I'm going to mount a 'finger' off the boom pole that swings horizontally to stick a finger in the roll . Plenty of sucker rod around for that project.

A trap gate sounds like it would work. How about just a another vertical pipe with prongs on it like a regular fence stretcher. Hinge it top and bottom. Put a lever on it and a rope so you could snag the wire from the seat. Might have to fix a bracket out front a little so the rope would actually be pulling from the front side. A second rope tied direct to the stretcher lever could "unhook it' and keep the hooks out of the roll.
That way you would be realeaing a little tension off the roll, pulling the hooks out, then unrolling some more, set the hooks and setting new tension for the next segment.


Your frame isn't rotating, is it? Just the insides? That's the onl;y prob i can see with hooks, is if the whole frame is rotating.

Larry

 

[wroughtn_harv]

Re: Woven/Horse fence unroller.

I've considered different schemes for an unrolling system with brakes.

For barbwire a one inch piece of solid square stock would work great as the axle or main bar. That would allow for a disc then a piece of plate with a matching one inch square hole and a finger perpendicular to the plate to secure the barbwire reel. Then another disc etc. A band brake over a steel wheel at one end of the axle would work as a brake.

Now if the whole assemble could be hung off either side of the FEL so that the wire could be held next to the fence line /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

I'm not sure how the finger system would work on non climb or field fence. I can see lots of problems with distorted fabric when the finger grabs the fabric just wrong.

I've thought about the fabric compressed from the top and bottom but then that too might distort the fabric. I think what might work best would be a wedge system that fit inside the roll.

It would take some leverage to manually pull the pole I've discussed earlier. You figure you can't manually pull the wire tight. Pulling the pole would be just as hard if not harder.

 

[Anonymous Poster]

Re: Woven/Horse fence unroller.

Well i'll throw a rock though my window on the fingers lock. The smaller the roll gets, the longer the fingers needed.

Your band brake could be made to work. You would have to have an extra little pipe beside your center shaft to go in that interior loop of fence in the no climb. (wehre they wound the roll)

Could probably fashion a plate or wheel on top fastened with a linch pin. Maybe even use just a pin as a 'stop' on top.

If i tried to use wedge system sooner or later i would be out there with a big hammer trying to put that wedge in reverse.

Larry

 

[Charlie_Iliff]

Re: Woven/Horse fence unroller.

Harv:
I've done a fair amount of thinking about a side-mounted woven wire unroller with a tensioner. It would be easy to mount on the power track where I could watch it. The lift and tilt controls on the attach plate would then allow precise positioning on each post.
I haven't actually done it because my fence work is mostly repair, and only on our farm. (Same reason I haven't bought a post pounder which I really would like to have.)
Our constant problem stretching woven wire is the necessity to follow grade changes. We have a fair amount of flat stuff, but a lot is fairly steep. Trying to stretch a few panels to conform to the crest of a hump tends to require several bites with the stretcher, and the chance of distortion. My plan, if I ever build one, will have a hydraulic cylinder closing 5 foot verticals similar to my current hat section clamp, with enough structure to make sure the clamp is always square to the wire. Anything slowing the roll from the core I am afraid will tend to wrap the wire too tight on the spindle, and not give really good control of the tension.
It's a project for when a lot of our fence fails at once, and my sons aren't available to help clamp and stretch. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

 

[wroughtn_harv]

Re: While Neal was ________ I was ___________

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Harv:
That looks as useful as a pocket, as you said, and is your usual elegant solution. I've had pretty good luck, however, with a simpler one. It is merely a T of tubing and angle iron, with a swivel on the end. I poke it through the roll and pick it up with the end hook on the 5 foot boom on my Power Trac. I then back down the line, after tacking the end to post #1. Sometimes, the wire doesn't even fall over.
Beats the stuffing out of unrolling it flat and standing it up.)</font>

Charlie I need you to post a picture of your deally do if you can.

What I've got is a job where there's an existing fence belonging to the neighbor and it's eighteen inches inside his property. Not enough room for me to use my wire handler since it's a welded pipe frame fence with five foot two by four non climb.

I'm thinking about building a quick attach plate for Iris (my tractor for unitiated). I'll attach a piece of four inch pipe about six feet long dead in the middle of the plate. I'll have a plate attached to a bearing's spindle that will attach to the four inch pipe at the far end.

Concept is this. I place the pipe through the center of the roll of wire. I attach the base plate to the pipe. I can now drive up to the fence. Lift up and tilt down the roll until it's vertical and on the other side of the fence. I can then unroll the wire.

My only glitch might be fixing the angle of the pipe to the anchor plate to where I can take best advantage of the capabilities of the tractor.

This also might allow me to use two hundred foot rolls when I have a drive off situation.

This here puppy might replace the old wire handler for livestock fence. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Your input would be appreciated.

 

[Charlie_Iliff]

Re: While Neal was ________ I was ___________

Harv: Take a look at the post back in June in this thread. It shows a roll of wire dangling from the lifting boom on my Power Trac. Putting it off to the side would be good, but I haven't really needed it.

 

[wroughtn_harv]

Re: Woven/Horse fence unroller.

Well, let's blame it all on Charlie.

That and the fact that the V Mesh roll is too wide for my original wire handling tractor attachment.

That picture of Charlie's idea was like a porpoise chasing a steamer. I just couldn't shake it.