Whole house Surge Protector

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txdon

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I had a couple of appliances (hard wired and 220v) appliances that are not working after the last storm. No breakers were tripped, all wiring and breakers are new, and the house was not hit with lightning. My Electrical Co-op has no helpful information on surge protection other than using the 110v surge protectors.

Does Anyone have a suggestion on a Whole House Surge Protector?
 
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I think some companies like Square D has a whole house surge that takes 2 breaker slots and dumps it to ground
 
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There are various devices on the market, and an electrician can probably set you up with one. I make my own, which is not a good solution for you :(.

One item you can think about that is independent of what kind of suppressor you get is what is the quality of the ground wire at your house. Think about the surge suppressor sitting there. It is wired between your two hot lines (the 240 wires) and ground. A big 'ol spike shows up, and the surge suppressor has the task of clipping the spike so the voltage isn't too high. But to do this, it has to have somewhere to "dump" the extra energy. That somewhere is ground. In the general area where your power meter is, the ground wire for your house goes to a ground rod. It could be a nice 8' rod in undisturbed soil. Or it could be a really bad 4' plated rod in disturbed soil. And if the soil is dry, the resistance of the ground is higher and it doesn't work as well.

So part of putting in a whole house surge protector is making sure you have a good ground system. If you can add 2 or 3 8' ground rods to the system, things can work better. If you can find a way to put a rod near a downspout drainage area then it might be wetter than something under an overhang. You can get the ground rods and clamps at the box stores. It's OK to dig a little hole and drive the rod in such that when you cover it all up it's all underground. Measure and make a note as to where everything is :thumbsup:.

Note that before you start digging and driving in ground rods, you need to know what's below. If you have buried service, you have to know where that is. The phone line might be in the area too. Once you locate all these and any other obstructions, you can take some #6 or #4 wire and use a split lug to take the wire that goes up into the meter base and go out to the area where you'll put the ground rods. Burry that wire too, the more copper in the ground the better.

As with all things building and utility based, local conditions and codes prevail. I would think that your co-op can locate their wires, same with local telco. Your electrician should be able to make sure you're OK. Where you can can save a bit of money is putting in your own ground rods. Seems like the harder and more manual labor the work, the more it costs :laughing:!

A good ground also helps the little 110 surge protection plug strips you may have in your house on things like the TV and computer. They also need a good ground so there is somewhere to dump the excess energy in a voltage spike.

Pete
 
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Don,

Three years ago, I installed a Power-Save 1200 at my main panel. It cost about $250 and I paid an electrician $50 to install it. They have lots of marketing hype regarding how much you'll save on your electricity bill, but the main reason I got it was for the surge suppression capabilities. I don't know if it has saved me any money, because I did lots of energy upgrades around the same time (30 yo house, new to me), but I haven't had any electrical problems in 3 years. My electrician friend was skeptical about the money saving claims, but confirmed its usefulness as a whole-house surge suppressor.

The specs show the PS1200 to suppress up to 2000 joules. Levitron has a whole house unit for under $200 that specs out at 950 joules, but I don't know enough about electricity to say whether one is better than the other.
 
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Hi Don, when I built my house a couple of years ago I wanted one too, and had to do my own research. This is the one I ended up with, no problems so far. The electrician connected it at the same time as he did the rest of the house wiring and he seemed happy with it.
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MOV - Metal oxide varistors
 
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buckeye, that's what I put in my breaker boxes on 15 amp breakers. 32mm disks (the big ones). Some boxes are 130V on each leg to ground, and one has a 260V across the 220. If any reader understands that, then they can do it on their own. Otherwise, some of the solutions like NSbound has will work fine.

If anyone is running X10 stuff, the 260V MOV also helps work as a phase to phase coupler. And if you don't understand this that's OK :).

Pete
 
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I have a 8' grounding rod at base of the outside house breaker box (everything new and to code) and one at the pole. We have no telephone or cable lines. It looks like the largest number of joules that can be sent to ground the better. MOV? Do these take a one time hit? Do the whole house surge protectors need replacing frequently?

I will get an electrician to install it.
 
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OK on the grounding rods, I might put one more in by coming 8' away from the house and doing another 8' rod, that's something you can do at your leisure.

A joule is a unit of energy over time. Your house measures energy use in Kilowatt hours (the energy you use drawing 1000 watts for 1 hour). A joule is the energy (or "work" if you want) done when 1 amp flows through 1 ohm for 1 second. So the units are not kilowatt hours but watt seconds. The joule rating of a surge suppressor is a maximum peak rating. The "work" done when suppressing the surge (by shunting it to ground) is generate heat. Some of the heat is in the wire, some in the device, and some in the ground. So the bigger the suppression device, the bigger the hit it can take and the more heat it can generate without burning itself out. In reality, the peak current can typically only be sustained for very short periods of time (like a thousandth of a second or less). So you can see where the marketing types have lots of fun talking up 5,000 and 10,000 and 20,000 joule protection when in fact the device is a small disk about .75 to 1.25 inches in diameter that can only have a sustained power dissipation of a few watts.
So for the non marketing world, the higher the joule rating the bigger of a spike it can safely take to ground. Higher joule rated devices also tend to have lower resistances when they shunt the spike, and therefore dissipate less heat, which is in part where the higher rating comes from. And at higher currents, the wires and ground also share in dissipating the energy by turning it into heat.

An MOV is a Metal Oxide Varistor. It came about in the 1930's or so, and GE made great strides in mass producing them during the 1950's at the Schenectady NY facility. Companies all over the world make them now. The MOV is placed from the line being protected to ground. When the voltage across the MOV reaches a certain level, the MOV start to conduct current. This process is pretty abrupt, and happens instantaneously. A MOV that is happy seeing 130V AC across it can start to conduct around 150V and by the time the voltage is up to 300V it wants to conduct hundreds of amps. This is how it "eats" the spike and shunts it to ground. Now if you do the math, think about this poor little 1 inch disk (about 1/8 inch thick) with 300 volts across it and 100 amps going through it. That's a peak power of 30,000 watts. Sure looks like a job for a 20,000 joule device. So if the device can conduct that 30,000 watts for 100 microseconds (about the time of the peak ringing of a lightning induced fault), then the actual work or heat dissipated by the device will be about 3 watts. The disc will quickly heat up, then cool down, and survive the event.

In reality, it's better than that because the drop on your wires with all that current from the fault will also help dissipate the current, as will the current through the ground. This is why there is all the discrepancy regarding the 30,000 watts peak on a 20,000 joule part, the times, etc. I guess I'm saying accept the hand waving argument here, and realize that spikes are short time events that product high currents that the high joule rated MOVs can shunt to ground.

Long answer for the three letter "MOV?" question isn't it :laughing: ?

As for how often do you replace the device, there are two more things to learn about MOVs. The 1st one is that when they fail, they fail to a short. So you always need some fusing or circuit breaker feeding them. When you see the plug strips with the neon bulb or led that says "Protected when lit", that means that the internal non replaceable fuse that is in series with the MOV has no blown yet and the MOV is good. If the MOV fails, the light goes out, and it's time to replace the plug strip (or whole house surge suppressor). The second thing is that every time an MOV is kicked, it looses a little life. So the lifetime is a function of how many spikes it has seen, and how big they were. Big spikes mean more wear and tear. The higher the joule rating, the bigger the spike it can take, and the longer the life for any given use. Houses are filled with little semi-low energy voltage spices when motors turn on and off. The MOVs can handle these and have a very long lifetime.

So for normal use, the protectors can last for decades. If you get wollaped hard, they can get used up in one pop. This is why it's good to have some way to know if it's OK, be that an indicator on the surge suppressor module or a popped circuit breaker on an raw MOV. You should check it every now and then, especially when you have those fun close to the house lightning pops :eek:.

There are other devices that can be used, most notably a gas tube. They are more expensive and are not used for most residential surge protection systems on the AC. They are used for telephone where the energy levels are smaller and the small wire gauge means lots of drop on the wire during a spike.

A summary for those who could care less about the theory of it all:

1) More ground rods better. For you, I'd add one more, this is a judgment call with a YMMV. Local knowledge of soil types and moisture come into play here.
2) Higher joule rating on the device is better- can handle bigger spikes and lasts longer, but it cost more.
3) Device should have a indicator to show if it's OK or not.
4) These should be long life devices, but if they get kicked enough it will shorten their life.

I think the electrician doing the install is good, and I hope what I've told you can help you select a good device.

Hope my too long explanation helps, if you've got more questions ask. If you look again at the picture from NSbound, it will make a lot of sense now. Looks like a good unit to me!

Pete
 
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What eepete said. :D maybe I should change my name to eebuckeyefarmer? :rolleyes:
I remember MOV's from my engineering courses years ago, but I use the power strips with them inside.
 

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