Why no Ecoboost in the F250?

[Renze]

haha! Yeah our german colleagues handle the EU business, I don't have access to those programs. Thats a ring problem, not a piston one though. And a problem specifically designed and dictated to us by VAG

The 2.0 TDI biturbo had ring problems. Its predecessor, the 2.5 TDI, had problems with liner coating: My neighbour worked a lot on them and has seen the surface come off the liner when dropping the oil pan. That was the end of the road for an engine.

"Fuel saving" 0w/30 oils also contributed to a lot of camshaft wear, not just on the Transporter 4: My Volvo used a liter of oil per 5000km when i bought it, switching over to the 5w/40 oil as prescribed to the pre 2006 Euro 3 engines, reduced it to 1 liter per 20.000km, though it is still more than my previous S70 with the VW 2.5 TDI (from the Transporter 3) with 565.000km under its belt...
After purchase i learnt that the cam wear was prominent in MY 06, and that better cam hardening solved that from MY 07 onwards... to my luck.

So please dont feel offended when i dont take your word for it, that some coating will solve cylinder wear, just like that... IMHO they are just band-aids invented to solve problems resulting from the choice of ever thinner engine oils...

And now we all have problems keeping our manufacturing plants fully staffed and operating. Raw material pricing is brutal now too. Tough times.

Yeah, several aluminium casting companies in Holland are closing their doors due to the natural gas prices. Steel doubled last year, availability of regular construction steel is not a problem (yet) though getting Cat OEM components is...

 

[Hay Dude]

The eco boost wouldn’t even last the first day without significantly upgrading the cooling system. I doubt the transmission holds up long in a dump truck either. Those low power diesels were built to chug along at nearly full power output all day everyday and do it for 30 years. There’s a big difference in continuous duty output and the power you can make for 30 seconds to pass another vehicle.

Correct, so when a keyboard F-150 ecoboost owner starts talkin smack on older diesels, they need to understand the numbers on paper are quite meaningless, the bigger the truck gets.

So let’s stop the “ecoboost beats a older _____ diesel.

It just doesn’t, unless you want to make a comparison for a matter of a few runs or a week or 2 of heavy work.

 

[hiddentacocatneddih]

The shorter the life span and harder the engine is to maintain, the better for ford. People are dumb enough to go back for more and they have proven it time and time again

Triton
6.0 diesel
6.4 diesel
6.7 diesel (everyone I know personally with one has had an issue )
EcoBoost

 

[Hay Dude]

The shorter the life span and harder the engine is to maintain, the better for ford. People are dumb enough to go back for more and they have proven it time and time again

Triton
6.0 diesel
6.4 diesel
6.7 diesel (everyone I know personally with one has had an issue )
EcoBoost

Yeah, I mean I was a Ford guy and got bit badly by the 6.4L diesel.
Seems like the 6.7 and the ecoboost are improvements, but to forget about previous engines like it doesn’t matter is ridiculous

 

[Birdhunter1]

I'll say this again, the 3.5 Ecoboost I have in my 2014 F 150 regularly hauls around a horse trailer weighing up to 7000 lbs when loaded up. On long steep hills I rarely ever hit 3000 rpms and its never dropped below 4th gear to keep 55-65 mph going up any hill. On the interstate at 70 mph I am running just under 2000 rpms in 5th gear on a 6 speed transmission. I am going to get 10-12 mpg pulling this trailer depending on the headwinds. The engine is never screaming, it runs rather quiet and the transmission temp runs about 203 degrees max whether it has a trailer and load behind it or not.

Towing my tractor and equipment around on a flatbed equipment trailer or hay I'm between 6000-9000 lbs and same story, it is never screaming unless I really want it to and it is never underpowered.

Will you diesel guys go start your own thread on diesel trucks that the rest of us either A don't want, B can't afford, C don't want to hear about or D just don't want to listen to the engine?

 

[deezler]

Lol, birdhunter.

These specs below are for the 2022 F150. Just absurd capabilities for joe homeowner, honestly. More than adequate for vast majority of folks. We don't all tow 75,000 lbs of hay bales every day.

 

[Renze]

I'll say this again, the 3.5 Ecoboost I have in my 2014 F 150 regularly hauls around a horse trailer weighing up to 7000 lbs when loaded up. On long steep hills I rarely ever hit 3000 rpms and its never dropped below 4th gear to keep 55-65 mph going up any hill. On the interstate at 70 mph I am running just under 2000 rpms in 5th gear on a 6 speed transmission.

The thread topic specifically mentioned F 250, which has a 21k tow rating: Your experience on how an Ecoboost handles 7k is irrelevant to the topic...

I mean, 7k... i haul that with a plain old V70 2.4 liter diesel, without dropping a gear... 257 ft-lb at 1750rpm, which is 100kmh in 6th..

 

[mred2]

As was said, 'What about the 7.3?"
If ford thought the echo boast was the answer to today's towing, why come out with the 7.3 gas?
Old school engine, said to put out as much power as some diesels. No over head cams, no turbos. I have read better mileage than the 6.2. Said to be one of the best engines Ford is making.
I drove an F250 for years, loved it. The 6.2 was great. My son drives ford with 3.5. At just over 200,000 miles, $5,000 for new timing chains. And he never tows.
An F250 needs to tow and we all want our trucks to run a lot of miles. I hope my next trucks is the last one I have to buy, 20 more years and 450,000 miles.

 

[Birdhunter1]

It has a 21,000 lbs tow rating with the right engine but probably wouldn't have that with a 3.5 Ecoboost in it as it doesn't have that kid of tow rating with the 6.2 gas either. The payload rating of an F250 I could utilize, I will sanely run out of suspension in my F 150 long before the engine runs out of capability.

Below is the specs for model year 2014 on the 3.5 Ecoboost, 420 lbs-ft torque at 2500 rpms is near perfect for what I need a truck for and I think it would be great in an F 250 rated for 8-9000 lbs of payload.

• 3.5L EcoBoost V6.
• Twin-turbocharged and Direct Injected Design.
• 365 horsepower @ 5500rpm.
• 420lb-ft of torque @ 2500rpm

 

[kevin37b]

This conversation has been going on forever and sure it will continue . Kevin . .

 

[Renze]

The payload rating of an F250 I could utilize, I will sanely run out of suspension in my F 150 long before the engine runs out of capability.

Now THAT is exactly the reason why Ford wont let you have it in an F250...

 

[Hay Dude]

I must have missed the post where someone said a Ecoboost can last in a 33,000 lb dump truck. I thought it was about a 3/4 ton pickup.

All I can go off of is my experience as far as reliability of the Ecoboost. I have a fleet of vehicles that see a lot of miles. The first Ecoboost we put in service was a 2013 3.5. We just sold that truck to an employee for his daily driver. It had 372,000 on it when it sold. No major engine work at all.

My last truck was a 2018 with 3.5 Ecoboost and had 230,000 when I decided to get rid of it. On that one the timing chain needed to be replaced but I elected to get a new truck rather than fix it because I felt at that moment I had the lowest cost per mile that the truck would see.

We now have 18 Ecoboosts in our fleet. 3 are the 3.5 and the rest are the 2.7. Several of the 2.7 have over 100,000 now with no issues. Time will tell I guess but I will continue down the Ecoboost road until I see a problem with them.

And I must have missed where the comparisons were made to a 5.9L Cummins, which ARE by the way found in not only single axle dumps, but tandem axle dumps, too. So let’s not conveniently forget, if you are going to compare and ecoboost to a 5.9 Cummins, let’s first remember a 5.9 Cummins was used in very heavy trucks and a litany of Case-IH & JCB farm tractors. The 3.5 Ecoboost hasn’t found its’ way into anything bigger than an F-150 and there’s a reason for that.

Here’s my JCB 3185 with a 5.9L Cummins in it rated at a whopping 185HP. I’d bet my life an ecoboost wouldn’t last a month in this tractor.

It won’t last very long in a 3/4 ton pickup either, as I said, IF that 3/4 ton pickup is used to tow at todays ratings.

While the ecoboost makes nice power, it’s specifically suited for light duty use.

So when guys start making comparisons of ecoboost to Cummins diesel engines based on power output alone, that fails to convince the heavier truck usage owner/operator its a viable option.

 

[Brown Dog]

This conversation has been going on forever and sure it will continue . Kevin . .

Exactly & IDK how all these guys got on a 3.5L in a dump truck OR it being compared to a diesel …. WTH

I never read where somebody wanted / needed or expected one in anything bigger than a F250.

All The TALK & BS got WAY Off Topic

 

[K5lwq]

And I must have missed where the comparisons were made to a 5.9L Cummins, which ARE by the way found in not only single axle dumps, but tandem axle dumps, too. So let’s not conveniently forget, if you are going to compare and ecoboost to a 5.9 Cummins, let’s first remember a 5.9 Cummins was used in very heavy trucks and a litany of Case-IH & JCB farm tractors. The 3.5 Ecoboost hasn’t found its’ way into anything bigger than an F-150 and there’s a reason for that.

Here’s my JCB 3185 with a 5.9L Cummins in it rated at a whopping 185HP. I’d bet my life an ecoboost wouldn’t last a month in this tractor.

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It won’t last very long in a 3/4 ton pickup either, as I said, IF that 3/4 ton pickup is used to tow at todays ratings.

While the ecoboost makes nice power, it’s specifically suited for light duty use.

So when guys start making comparisons of ecoboost to Cummins diesel engines based on power output alone, that fails to convince the heavier truck usage owner/operator its a viable option.

I never made such a comparison. It is not the same thing.
Just like the 150 has different tow ratings depending on engine, transmission and gear so does the 250.

 

[Hay Dude]

I never made such a comparison. It is not the same thing.
Just like the 150 has different tow ratings depending on engine, transmission and gear so does the 250.
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Didn’t say you did, but others did. You aren’t the only contributor on the thread.
The fact remains that “why no ecoboost in the F-250” is because Ford has made a proper calculation that it won’t last long enough to probably meet warranty standards or customer satisfaction in an F-250.

The comparisons of the ecoboost to the 5.9L Cummins, even with more HP is absurd, since the duty cycle under loads the 5.9L handles, at any HP level is far greater than what an ecoboost will ever see.

 

[sd455dan]

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small engine dimensions.

Not what you normally see for the Heavy Duty segment

 

[deerefan]

Thank you everyone for contributing to my post. My question has been answered ten fold.

 

[nisaacs]

And I must have missed where the comparisons were made to a 5.9L Cummins, which ARE by the way found in not only single axle dumps, but tandem axle dumps, too. So let’s not conveniently forget, if you are going to compare and ecoboost to a 5.9 Cummins, let’s first remember a 5.9 Cummins was used in very heavy trucks and a litany of Case-IH & JCB farm tractors. The 3.5 Ecoboost hasn’t found its’ way into anything bigger than an F-150 and there’s a reason for that.

Here’s my JCB 3185 with a 5.9L Cummins in it rated at a whopping 185HP. I’d bet my life an ecoboost wouldn’t last a month in this tractor.

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It won’t last very long in a 3/4 ton pickup either, as I said, IF that 3/4 ton pickup is used to tow at todays ratings.

While the ecoboost makes nice power, it’s specifically suited for light duty use.

So when guys start making comparisons of ecoboost to Cummins diesel engines based on power output alone, that fails to convince the heavier truck usage owner/operator its a viable option.

Off topic, Lol. Hay Dude, FYI, use a bolt and nut for your hitch pin. That way you get support from both ears of the hitch.

 

[Hay Dude]

Off topic, Lol. Hay Dude, FYI, use a bolt and nut for your hitch pin. That way you get support from both ears of the hitch.

Too slow to remove. I like the pin better for my spreader.

 

[Renze]

Off topic, Lol. Hay Dude, FYI, use a bolt and nut for your hitch pin. That way you get support from both ears of the hitch.

America never had decent drawbars for tractors. The UK and Scandinavia had the pickup hitch, France had the knob, and the rest of Europe had drawbars ranging from 2.5 to 4 ton permitted vertical load.

If you really want top notch for the travel speeds associated with a Fastrac, get a K80 ball coupler...

Standard

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