Oil & Fuel Why not use a funnel with a screen to fill fuel?

   / Why not use a funnel with a screen to fill fuel? #21  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I don't think switching cans wil do away with condensation
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Probably not, but can anyone really tell me the last time they had a condensation problem in small fuel cans? Especially if they are not subjected to quick temperature changes.
 
   / Why not use a funnel with a screen to fill fuel? #22  
<font color="blue">( I never take them out to fill them. ) </font>

Me either, I fill my 5-gallon diesel cans while they remain in the back of my pickup bed. Diesel does not explode.
 
   / Why not use a funnel with a screen to fill fuel? #23  
According to my now deceased father-in-law, diesel disolves or washes off the galvanizing, which may be why they specify plastic.

Static: Static electricity builds up in plastic fuel cans and dissipates very slowly if at all. The movement of gasoline over the plastic creates the charge, so the charge is created by filling it, movement as it sloshes around and when pouring it out the spout. Don't know about diesel, but it is probably similar.

Anyway, a detailed article in Sport Aviation magazine several years ago described a study in which they were able to measure the charge in the plastic cans and it was in the thousands of volts. They found that leaving the can sit for a couple weeks did not reduce the charge. They could completely dissipate it, however, by wiping the can with a wet cotton towel, which they recommended be done prior to fueling an aircraft from a plastic can. They also said that a metal can is the worst for a potential spark unless the can was grounded to the aircraft prior to pouring fuel. A grounded metal can was the safest.

Once in awhile I see references to tractors that burned; how the fire started I don't know. May or may not have been from fueling, but I do know aircraft fires do start occasionally from fueling from plastic cans.

Diesel is not explosive, so I have heard. What about the fumes coming off the stuff? I don't know. I do know that you sometimes hear about diesel rigs burning up, so at least a fire started somehow.

What do I do? I wipe down my plastic cans with a wet towel before fueling my plane, but just pour the diesel straight in to my tractor without any concern. But my airplane is in a hangar with 10 other planes and my tractor is usually outside and is worth only about a fifth of what my plane costs.
 
   / Why not use a funnel with a screen to fill fuel? #24  
Diesel fuel is combustable with a flash point of around 95 Degrees. Gasoline is flamable with a flash point of -50 degrees. A spark or static will not ignite diesel, infact you could throw lit matches into diesel fuel all day with out it catching fire. More than likely this is a general warning that is placed on all their units. I can not think of any good reason not to strain fuel through a screen that makes sense except you shouldn't use bad fuel in the first place.
 
   / Why not use a funnel with a screen to fill fuel? #25  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Diesel fuel is combustable with a flash point of around 95 Degrees. Gasoline is flamable with a flash point of -50 degrees. A spark or static will not ignite diesel, infact you could throw lit matches into diesel fuel all day with out it catching fire. More than likely this is a general warning that is placed on all their units. I can not think of any good reason not to strain fuel through a screen that makes sense except you shouldn't use bad fuel in the first place. )</font>


I can not think of any good reason not to strain fuel through a screen that makes sense except you shouldn't use bad fuel in the first place.
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Problem is you don't know it's bad until you strain it.
That's why the need to filter it.
 
   / Why not use a funnel with a screen to fill fuel? #26  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( </font><font color="blueclass=small">( I don't think switching cans wil do away with condensation
)</font>
can anyone really tell me the last time they had a condensation problem in small fuel cans? Especially if they are not subjected to quick temperature changes. )</font>
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Moisture will accumulate in the cans .
It don't have to be for a long period of time or require quick temperature changes.

I have a MTD powerKraft that is always having to have the Carb cleaned and adjusted.
They keep telling me it keeps getting water in it.
I have done everything I can think of to prevent this but there is still water getting into the carb.

condensation in smalls cans has been and issue with this tractor for all of it's 10 years.

The only thing I haven't tried is MR Funnel.
 
   / Why not use a funnel with a screen to fill fuel? #27  
I'm reasonably certain it's the static electricty that is the issue. I bought a plastic aftermarket fuel tank for my 55 Ford F100. Fuel tank manufacturer took great pains conveying the static electricity problem with plastic tanks & went into great detail proper grounding requirements for the tank..
 
   / Why not use a funnel with a screen to fill fuel? #28  
Here's a link to the story about the guy filling gas cans without taking them out the truck.

Safety site

(for those unaware of this site, there are some amazing pictures in the Photo of the Week archives)
 
   / Why not use a funnel with a screen to fill fuel? #29  
<font color="brown">I have a MTD powerKraft that is always having to have the Carb cleaned and adjusted an rebuilt.
They keep telling me it keeps getting water in it.
I have done everything I can think of to prevent this but there is still water getting into the carb.

condensation in smalls cans has been and issue with this tractor for all of it's 10 years.

The only thing I haven't tried is MR Funnel. </font>
 
   / Why not use a funnel with a screen to fill fuel? #30  
I take the cans out of my truck to fill them but I don't understand why it's any better to do so than leave them in the truck. The gasoline hose has a grounding wire in it that attaches the to nozzle. As long as you touch the nozzle to the can it's grounded. I suppose if you carefully hold the nozzle not touching the can while filling it, it would not be grounded. However you can do this with your car too and it would also not be grounded.
 

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