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[Hay Dude]

It's not my intention to sound smug. In my opinion the majority of the country, even the MSM (owned by conservatives), would describe themselves as 'middle of the road' where that middle is to the left of what you may think is the majority view. We don't see this a a 'push' rather, just a realistic view.

But you do.

 

[Hay Dude]

News channels aren't news channels but more of opinion news shows of what they want to push. Whether left or extreme right. Our choice ( for now) who we want to listen to. But that will be changing.

What will change?

Also, what is “extreme right”?

What is “extreme left”?

Not in favor of “extreme” anything. But if those are the choices, I think I’ll go with the right.

 

[Torvy]

I switched to AI instead of Wikipedia.

All the AI does is grab "info" off of random sites. Just as bad as Wiki for veracity.

I'd only use it like a glorified calculator. Asking questions like 'how many tractors did IH build in 1959?' is likely to get you an accurate result.

Anything on either that remotely calls for analysis is just like asking your neighbor.

As for donations? They get paid per click. If they can't make a go of it, they should shut it down.

 

[Torvy]

The greater number of US deaths per capita compared to countries with higher immunization rates?

The US data was grossly tainted by counting people who died and tested positive rather than those who died because of it.
My daughter was/is an RN and 100% people who died of cancer and even injuries were listed as Covid deaths.

 

[Torvy]

It's not my intention to sound smug. In my opinion the majority of the country, even the MSM (owned by conservatives), would describe themselves as 'middle of the road' where that middle is to the left of what you may think is the majority view. We don't see this a a 'push' rather, just a realistic view.

But when you look at independent analysis, they all are leftist.

Your personal view is tainted as California is considerably further left than the rest of the country. Easy point of reference is to remove CA from popular vote calculations and the right candidate wins.

 

[Jstpssng]

My daughter was/is an RN and 100% people who died of cancer and even injuries were listed as Covid deaths

This must be a regional thing. My SIL died on July 22, 2020. My brother was told it was congestive heart failure and definitely was NOT Covid related.

At any rate there was a higher than normal rate of deaths globally during the time period 2020-2021, whatever the cause.

 

[DarkBlack]

The US data was grossly tainted by counting people who died and tested positive rather than those who died because of it.

True

 

[California]

The US data was grossly tainted by counting people who died and tested positive rather than those who died because of it.
My daughter was/is an RN and 100% people who died of cancer and even injuries were listed as Covid deaths.

I won't question that, it seems plausible. But you need to recognize that the overall death rate was substantially higher during that period, to see the whole picture. If not Covid, then what?

I asked Google AI:

AI Overview

Yes, the US has experienced a greater number of deaths per capita, particularly avoidable deaths, compared to many high-income countries with higher immunization rates, as indicated by a recent Brown University study. Factors such as slow vaccination and booster administration have contributed to higher excess mortality in the U.S. compared to countries with faster vaccine rollout during the COVID-19 pandemic.​

I wonder if those who refused immunization self-selected for their own higher death rate.​

 

[Torvy]

As I mentioned, AI just pulls info from websites. They don't check for quality. That study is using the same BS data where deaths are attributed to C19 for just about anything.

Were there some deaths, sure. The data is trash, ao comparing to other countries is also BS.

 

[RayIN]

If anyone desires accurate information go to Google Scholar.