Will a DISK do me what I need??

   / Will a DISK do me what I need?? #31  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Sully,

I'm gonna disagree with everybody here. My soil is red clay and can be very hard. I brought a John Deere 450G dozer out here and couldn't break through it to dig a hole. My neighbor hired a guy with a Cat D4 who has to use his rippers to break throught the surface.

I have a 35 hp Century tractor that I bought a used 5 foot disk for $300 out of the local classified ads. It has the cerated disks in front and the smooth ones in back.

Years ago a friend in California had a similar set up and we went through **** figuring out how to work it. Adding weight didn't really help that much, but what did work was to stick with it.

My setup isn't very big or heavy. Before I use the disk, I cut the grass and brush down real low. Then my first few passes accomplished almost nothing. Especially going through the thicker areas of grass.

I plan out a path to take that's a large circle and just keep driving around on the exact same tracks over and over again. It's like a huge waste of time until it happens. All of a sudden the ground gives and it turns to powder!!!

Once this happens, I just move my tires over half way to new soil and keep making my newly plowed area larger. This goes allot faster over the new areas than it did on the first area.

I don't add any weight to my disk, but can see where it could help and probably will the next time I use it. I have quite a few five galong buckets lying around that I'll fill with dirt and put on the disk to accomplish this.

I also have a 6ft boxblade with shanks and tried that too for breaking up the ground. It works to a degree, but all you get is chunks of dirt, not fine powder. The disk does an amazing job with time.

You said you had time, it will work and work well. Just realize it will take a very long time until happens, but the results are amazing!!!

Eddie

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Right, I kinda/sorta think I understand why/how this works.
On a turn MOST of the force (not weight) gets put on only a couple of disks and I think it is the rear ones on the outside of the curve. I'm certain about it being the rear, uncertain about it being the outside set. Once you get those couple of disks to CUT through - you're going - and it might well take a few circles over the same ground. Then move along like the machine at the ice rink (Zambozzi ? Some name like that) lapping your circles. When you've cut up the whole area like this you can run rows up and down - and across if you want.
I think it is SIDE FORCE that does it and I think you can't get enough of it with weight and angle, the curve is what concentrates it. Well, if you took off all the disks except 2 - Maybe (-:
 
   / Will a DISK do me what I need?? #32  
On the box blade, you don't need to use all of the rippers. You can take some out to make ripping easier. Yes, you will get chunks but the chunks can be ground up with a tiller which I thought was the point.
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( On the box blade, you don't need to use all of the rippers. You can take some out to make ripping easier. Yes, you will get chunks but the chunks can be ground up with a tiller which I thought was the point. )</font>

Yes and No! The more I can use the "impliment" ( rear tiller or set of discs) the less I need to use thw walk behind tiller...even as good as it is! I can RIDE a lot more hours than I can walk ( and hence take a beating.lol) Saving my precious legs..lol..for ONLY the small...scatter areas that will contain "plantings" such as Hostas..shrubbery..etc. All the "unplanted" areas will be seeded with a STRONG mixture of deep shade grass(es)
 
   / Will a DISK do me what I need?? #34  
Sully2,
With all this talk of disking I couldn't stand it any longer I had to try out my disk even though it only has the two ft. gangs, I hooked it up to my 16hp 2wd Mitsubishi tractor just to see what it would do.
I had the gang set at the highest angle, when I dropped it down it was like throwing out a boat anchor /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gifso I adjusted it to the second lowest angle setting and it would pull it.... straight not in a tight corner.
It did a fair job for about 20min of draggin.
When my other two axles finally show I'll finish it up with the Kubota...it was still fun though /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Just like Eddie said it will work.
 

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   / Will a DISK do me what I need??
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Fun is the name of the game though isnt it?.... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Rain is holding me up here at present....only about .2 or so a day...but with the fine soil in the backyard ( tilled and retilled and..etc..etc...) its just enough to make it a total MESS if I even step out into it. But I'll have to hit the ground running when it does dry out. I have my ten yards of "super fine conposted topsoil" covered over with tarps..but with the FEL I can re-locate it and get my plants planted..and wonder how Im going to afford to water them when its dry...LOL Looking at locaalized watering systems now..since the electric and water lines are now buried and covered over in the back.

Thanks for the input!
 
   / Will a DISK do me what I need?? #36  
My neighbor has a 50hp NH 3010 and used a JD 5-or-6 shank ripper to tear up the topsoil on his 6.5 acre place. Wants to plant an orchard. Then he used a disk harrow to bust up the clods. He made multiple passes in different directions to get it level and smooth.

With your 35-hp Ford, you might want to start with a 3-shank ripper and see what happens.
 
   / Will a DISK do me what I need?? #37  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( On a turn MOST of the force (not weight) gets put on only a couple of disks and I think it is the rear ones on the outside of the curve.
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Reg,

I think your over analyzing this. The disks are set at oposite angles. On mine, the front row are notched and are agled out. The back set are smooth and angled in.

I'm sure the amount of angle can make a difference, but how much is something you'd have to experiement on your land.

Turning changes the angles, but doen's improve the function of the disks. Going straight works the best, and in fact, if the turns are real tight, they will build up a burm or hill in that area. Wide turns are better than tight ones.

I just keep the down preasure all the way down on my disk, put a cushion on my seat to stay comfortable, bring along some cool drinks and a set of headphones for some tunes and plan on staying at it for awhile.

Depending on the soil, it might take a dozen passes for the disks to break through, but once it happens, they work great. You just have to let the tool do the job it's designed to do.

Eddie
 
   / Will a DISK do me what I need?? #38  
Hi Sully2

If you have grass or weeds on the land a disk will work. Ya have to disk it down, go back a week later and disk again. Then you go back a week later and disk again. Then again. Then again. then again. In my case it was an all summer project. I had ok top soil but lots of thick grass. The key, if weeds or grass then disk will work.

Cheers Coffeeman
 
   / Will a DISK do me what I need?? #39  
Eddie,
Yes, I overanalize EVERYTHING ! (-:
It is the rear (smoothe) disk on the inside of the curve that starts things, I was out there looking at the harrow today and visualised what I had seen happening from the tractor seat.

What happens is the whole harrow gets pushed left as you turn the tractor right, so the disk isn't just turning at an angle to the direction it is being dragged, it is ALSO having it's bottom edge pushed into the ground.
For want of a better phrase, "The turning provides an amplifying effect."
Take a saucer out of the kitchen and roll it around on the living room rug, imagine it being dragged and rolled, imagine it also being pushed in the direction where it tends to scoop the rug pile.
Do all of this while nobody else is home, or a well wishing relative might call for the nice men in white coats to come and get you (again).
(-:
 
   / Will a DISK do me what I need?? #40  
Eddie,
Yes, I overanalize EVERYTHING ! (-:
It is the rear (smoothe) disk on the inside of the curve that starts things, I was out there looking at the harrow today and visualised what I had seen happening from the tractor seat.

What happens is the whole harrow gets pushed left as you turn the tractor right, so the disk isn't just turning at an angle to the direction it is being dragged, it is ALSO having it's bottom edge pushed into the ground.
For want of a better phrase, "The turning provides an amplifying effect."
Take a saucer out of the kitchen and roll it around on the living room rug, imagine it being dragged and rolled, imagine it also being pushed in the direction where it tends to scoop the rug pile.
Do all of this while nobody else is home, or a well wishing relative might call for the nice men in white coats to come and get you (again).
(-:
 
 

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