Will cheap oil ruin my tractor?

[fishman]

I had a powerstroke diesel and the tests results PROVED it.

Gsxr1100,

Please enlighten me (and others) on the statistical methodology you employed to PROVE you were right.

 

[art]

Junkman, I love people that go out and buy the cheapest oil, then spend the extra money all to often more by adding addditives to make it as good as what some companies make to begin with. I do perfer that people buying these tractors do use cheap oil as that is job security for my tech's!!!

 

[gsxr1100]

fishman : Simple it is called oil analysis. Also compare and contrast in all areas then see what is better! Now-a-days this stuff is so easy a child could do it.

I am not a teacher nor is it my job. People need to do some homework if they think there might be a problem. Can’t hold their hands since we are all grown ups.

It has nothing to do with me PROVING anything. Numbers on my data (oils tests) do not lie and just plain tired of the oil war stuff!

It helps if people do some homework and maybe something worthwhile to say and not some moronic comment. Plus people never like change. That amazes the hell out of me.....

PS. It is not statistical methodology since it is very easy to lie with Statistics as learned in my colleges & universities

 

[BillyP]

The way I see it is...

If you use a good oil and change it when scheduled, chances are, you're not going to have an oil related failure. Whether this 'good' oil is a synthetic or not, will not matter. The facts aren't there to prove it.

99.99% of the failures will either be due to poor maintenance, loose nut behind the wheel or a parts defect.

 

[gsxr1100]

It is very hard to have an oil related failure today.

I just say this, define poor maintenance and what does scheduled mean? There is nothing in concrete that says anything in my BX22 manual that states anything about oil and grease at a certain time. All I see if recommend service …… Recommend makes the owner assume things nor are those interval case in stone.

 

[KubotaBling]

um ok.. whatever.. i'm laughing at u not with u..lol

 

[fishman]

It has nothing to do with me PROVING anything.

I was just using your words.

Point is, I'm completely comfortable with you choosing your oil and change schedule based on what you think is right for your situation. But if you want to present this as the BEST solution for everyone and not just your opinion, then yes, proof is needed.

Since you have done the oil analysis on one powerstroke diesel, then any inferences you could draw from that are very limited. For any such comparison to have merit beyond your personal experience, you would need a large number of new trucks on which to run this test. Then you would need to have two treatments, one with X brand oil, and one with Y brand oil. Then they would need to be run under identical loads and the oil analyzed thereafter. These data would then need to be statistically analyzed to determine if the differences were meaningful.

I could go on, but I know you get my drift. We all make decisions based on data that is at best incomplete and in all likelyhood biased. But it's the best we've got and so we go with it. And who are you going to trust more than yourself.

I had a car I only used synthetic in until the day I sold it. At 50 k the head gasket failed and I had to pony up $800 /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif I didn't blame the oil, but you've got to wonder. Also, there were a lot of other things going wrong with the car that made me think that perhaps the engine wearing out was the least of my worries.

Currently, I've got Mobil 1 in my expensive 4-stroke outboard because I think the oil is a superior product and 6000 rpm is hard on any oil. But in my trucks and tractors I've got conventional oil that gets changed at 3k. No problems yet.

Just my personal experience and choice.

 

[gsxr1100]

KubotaBling, Ignorance is bliss I guess. Please post real data. I know I have real world oil tests, still waiting for your data. Again post real world data not something out of a propaganda book!

If you have a problem see an admin on TBN. Also re-read the rules on TBN. Or take it off line ok...bud

 

[gsxr1100]

fishman , I disagree to your comment and here is why “Since you have done the oil analysis on one powerstroke diesel, then any inferences you could draw from that are very limited.” Why, because all the powertroke engine should be the same quality unless Fords SPC is poor and the cp are way out of control. But, they are Fords you know…..

Hence they should be very close in deviation. I tired several oils in my truck and I know what performed the best by the numbers/data.

Lastly, synthetic oil does not cause a head gasket failures. I would have to say it was a GM or chevy since they have had the most problems of this type. It could be a casting flaw, junk seal, wrong torque etc

Oh, I take it the boat is gas since the RPM are so high. At least you get the point and using a beter oil.

Good post though.

 

[fishman]

Actually, the biggest problem with testing on only one truck is you can't control the variable of wear. As the engine gets more hours on it, tolerances will open up.

Also, unless you just drive your truck back and forth to work, you can't control for say, increased towing miles for one oil as compared to another. Odds are that your driving was sufficiently random, but that variable wasn't controlled.

I'm not for sure, but I think both of these factors would impact the oil being used at that particular time. But maybe not.

Nope, not a GM vehicle, although that is all I own right now. It was a Dodge. And I never did get a satisfactory explanation of why it failed so soon. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif