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   / will it take off? #631  
Actually, I haven't heard the beard thing. Please continue to enlighten.

The argument about jumps and overloads getting smaller and smaller doesn't wash, if you'll pardon the reference to getting things wet. A certain minimum amount of force is needed to accelerate the jumpee from the boat. The problem states that the aqueduct cannot take even one additional pound of weight. I hold that any person outside the womb would need an accelerative force of a magnitude greater than one pound to be able to leave the boat unless they grabbed an overhanging branch or bridge member and simply lifted themselves from the boat. Correct that -- they might be able to carefully step onto the side of the aqueduct if the boat is moving slowly enough.
 
   / will it take off? #632  
Pat, lighting matches in airplanes can make for emergency landings!:D

DaTeacha:
Egon does not like numbers the exceed the fingers on one hand but Egon does like numbers that equal the fingers on one hand.
 
   / will it take off? #633  
Egon -- That's good. You can only use the balance 3 times.

Yes, you CAN know the temperature of freshly made homemade ice cream. Fahrenheit did.
 
   / will it take off? #634  
Egon said:
Pool balls, 12 of them; that is two more than Egon likes but Egon does like the number four!


Has everyone noticed that all these numbers have disillusioned Egon so much that he is referring to himself in the third person now?... He and Bob Dole could get together...:D
 
   / will it take off? #635  
Yeah, I noticed that. Kind of like Igor used to do.
 
   / will it take off? #636  
patrick_g said:
Larry, Very good! This may in fact be less than the ONE DROP (depending on your drop size) with no run over but your theory is on target AND drop size was not stated.

Now then daTeacha, before we become aquaduct half empty pessimists, mentally inundating and drowning the innocents below in mid orgy we need to allow for the entire spectrum of jump magnitudes. I suggest there is a gentle jump possible that would not be the straw that broke the aquaducts back. Until getting into jumps so small as to envoke quantitization of quantum mech there is essentially a continuum of jump magnitudes and similar to Zeno's paradox however arbitrarily close to failing you construe the aquaduct to be the jumper should be able to jump at a magnitude of shock just below destruction threshold.

Pat

envoke quantitization????
whazzat?
Jim
 
   / will it take off? #637  
daTeacha said:
Egon -- That's good. You can only use the balance 3 times.

Yes, you CAN know the temperature of freshly made homemade ice cream. Fahrenheit did.
Dont see how. It would be colder than 32F due to solutes. Temp to vary with constituents.
Larry
 
   / will it take off? #638  
Homemade ice cream -- What is making it cold? Fahrenheit knew how cold it gets.

I guess we should actually be phrasing this one in language that reflects the fact that cold is not really quantifiable, but we're talking temperature here, not heat.
 
   / will it take off? #639  
Home made ice cream is cooled by using ice and salt around the canister. The temperature would be at whatever temp the combination melts. If you use just straight ice it should be at 32degrees F. You might even get some moisture condensing on the ice but some of the ice may turn to vapour.

Egon is talking in third person because he likes numbers divisible by twelve. After post one in third person everyone should have understood he knew the pool ball solution. And no, not the jump and double bank to the side pocket!

:D

Once you have the privilege of licking the the thingy that stirs the ice cream you will know what Heaven is all about and care less about what the temperature is.
The Paddle it is Ehh.
:D
 
   / will it take off? #640  
Envoking quantitization. Anything looked at closely enough reveals a quantized, i.e. granular nature. What we assume to be analog or continuous in nature is at best characterized by fine granularity and is quantized. Consider the digital music on a CD or an MP3, there are only a finite number of levels of volume or differences in frequency depending on the number of bits used to represent the sound and the rate at which the digital "words" or frames are recorded and played back.

da Teacha, In common usage "jump" as in jump from a bridge or building is often more like stepping off a high place and not a very vigorous action. Since a sufficiently vigorous jump can destroy the aquaduct how about a slightly less vigorous jump? What about a slightly less vigorous jump than the previous one? At some point before not quite making it over the gunwhale of the vessel the "jumper" will have "jumped" with sufficient lack of force and vigor so as to not cause the devestation.

Argument of the beard: If I have one long hair on my chin is it a beard? Most would say not. OK, how about 2 long hairs, or three, or 4, or... At some point most everyone will agree that I have a beard. It is an argument through incrementalization and although you may not get uniform agreement about where (what number of long hairs) makes me have a beard at some point you will get general agreement that I have one. This is the antithesis of the either-or all or nothing argument. It is generally accepted that you can't be a little bit pregnant,either you are or you aren't. That is an example where the argument of the beard is not useful.

Similar and in reverse a jumper exiting the vessel could exit with sufficient delicacy so as to not overstress the aquaduct. Envision a jumper with grotesquely large feet (no insult intended, Egon) with proper technique he could almost walk on water so exiting the vessel and letting his large feet act as hydraulic dampers to his downward motion he would spread and difuse the force distributing it in its temporal extent such that peak loads would stay below the threshold. He could also violently move his hands, oversized and grotesque, in a downward motion so the reactionary force would temporarily reduce his vertical downard component (temporary weight reduction) so as to ease his entry into the water. If he had untucked his shirt and flapped it along with his downward hand movement he could generate a pulse of aerodynemaic lift to further reduce the vigor of his aqueous entry. Perhaps this individual has extraordinary lung power and forcefully exhales in a downward direction in time with his "jump."

No one said anything about his companion(s) not helping to ease his transition by direct manual means.

Being a true "waterman" and would be pirate, he may have been able to get some assistance from his pet parot which was perched on his shoulder. The Nowegian Blue is known for the powerful thrust of its wingbeats. Ahh, beautiful plumage, the Norwegian Blue!

There are innumerable additional possibilities for assistance in gaining the "jumper" a smooth non-destructive entry into the water but those will be left as an exercise for the student (or da Teacha.) None of these were specifically elliminated by the problem statement which left an open field for certain categories of assumptions. There are, of course many assumptions that could be made that doom the jumper to disaster but listing them was not my intent. I chose to weigh in on the side of NOT destroying the aquaduct.

Oh, by the way... virtually everyone agrees that I DO have a beard!

Pat ;)>
 

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