bgott
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The diesels with the NV4500 had a propensity to loosen the nut that holds fifth gear on the mainshaft when pulling a load in the hills in fifth gear. I haven't heard of anybody having this problem with a 318.
Will my truck work?
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ByuBill
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I think that I know of which tractor you speak. If I am correct, I-40 Black Mtn will be a toughy on the way back. Again, if I am correct, you want be a long way from Tarboro NC. Maybe you can ask around and find out 'what's up with Long'.
Their website has been under const. for months, my e-mail contact is no longer valid, their ph # isn't any good any more. They are still selling tractors because BlueRidge in Franklin is still getting them. If you were going further north you could check out the Long 410 DTC for 15,850. Maybe a little less. It is just across the Va. state line.
Have a safe trip.
I think that I know of which tractor you speak. If I am correct, I-40 Black Mtn will be a toughy on the way back. Again, if I am correct, you want be a long way from Tarboro NC. Maybe you can ask around and find out 'what's up with Long'.
Their website has been under const. for months, my e-mail contact is no longer valid, their ph # isn't any good any more. They are still selling tractors because BlueRidge in Franklin is still getting them. If you were going further north you could check out the Long 410 DTC for 15,850. Maybe a little less. It is just across the Va. state line.
Have a safe trip.
WVBill
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I have a Ram 1500, 5.9L engine, auto transmission.
I towed my B6100 with a FEL, tiller, boxblade and a 200 pound table saw (Total load probably about 2,500 lb) on a dual-axel 16' trailer from California to West Virginia with absolutely no problem. I did use Overdrive lock-out in rolling terrain and on long gentle climbs to keep the tranny from "hunting" between OD and drive.
I towed my B6100 with a FEL, tiller, boxblade and a 200 pound table saw (Total load probably about 2,500 lb) on a dual-axel 16' trailer from California to West Virginia with absolutely no problem. I did use Overdrive lock-out in rolling terrain and on long gentle climbs to keep the tranny from "hunting" between OD and drive.
Corm
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I had a setup just like yours except I had an auto tranny in it. It towed OK, but just barely. I found that when I got into the hills, it ran out of power pretty quickly. It did work however. One thing that hasn't been mentioned is brakes. A half ton truck pulling a 1k to 2k lb trailer with a 3 ton tractor on it, takes awhile to stop. Make darn sure your trailer has real good brakes on both axles. Test out the trailer brakes before you put a tractor on it. I can't emphasize this enough. I had to make a panic stop one time a few years ago with a loaded trailer behind me. I stopped in time and narrowly avoided an accident, but I was amazed at how long it took me to stop. It was a greasy shorts learning experience that I don't care to repeat!!
A 3/4 ton truck won't necessarily tow any better, but they have much bigger brakes. For me, that is reason enough to do all my towing now with a 3/4 ton truck, and I check my brakes often /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif.
Corm
A 3/4 ton truck won't necessarily tow any better, but they have much bigger brakes. For me, that is reason enough to do all my towing now with a 3/4 ton truck, and I check my brakes often /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif.
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Does anyone know about how much the total load would be in this case. I just don't know how much the loader and backhoe will add to the tractor. SoundGuy said that the tractor was 3500 pounds, is that with the FEL? I am guessing that the trailer is going to add about 1500 to 2000 more pounds.
ByuBill
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<font color=blue>Does anyone know about how much the total load would be in this case.</font color=blue>
Tractor - 3500,
fel - 800-1000,
backhoe - avg. 1000,
trailer - 1500 ??
Looks like you will be pulling + - 6500lbs
oops
If tires are filled add another 500 to 800 lbs
Tractor - 3500,
fel - 800-1000,
backhoe - avg. 1000,
trailer - 1500 ??
Looks like you will be pulling + - 6500lbs
oops
If tires are filled add another 500 to 800 lbs
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The 3500 lbs is the 1920 with fluids.. the fel will add more.
My 16' trailer, dual axle, and wood decking, and ramps, weighs 1720 lbs.
Soundguy
By the way.. I love my NH 1920..
My 16' trailer, dual axle, and wood decking, and ramps, weighs 1720 lbs.
Soundguy
By the way.. I love my NH 1920..
Phred
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Corn,
Your right that the braking is the major concern for the 1/2 ton.
I also second the reciver hitch. Get a professional to install as heavy duty one as you can find. Make sure that the hitch, ball, etc.. are all rated to more than your load.
my two cents...
Fred
Your right that the braking is the major concern for the 1/2 ton.
I also second the reciver hitch. Get a professional to install as heavy duty one as you can find. Make sure that the hitch, ball, etc.. are all rated to more than your load.
my two cents...
Fred
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Brakes are definitely a good thing to talk about.
I have a 18' all steel "car hauler" (works great for tractors though! /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif.) Electric brakes are a must for use with a heavy load. I have surge brakes (hydraulic) on a boat trailer, which work great too, just not as flexible when it comes to hills & the such.
Anywho, in addition to trailer brakes, definitely use "engine braking" as well (you can certainly do it in an automatic - just a little more "technique" is involved than a standard). It will save your brakes - long term wear and short term "fading" too.
I used a Dodge Durango (5.9 4x4) to tow a Jeep (and a BUNCH of junk) to Colorado & back. Definitely would have been a lot easier with a diesel, but it worked - of course I wish the trailer brakes had been working at the time going up and down those 7% grade mountains! (a LONG story...../w3tcompact/icons/eyes.gif)
Brakes are definitely a good thing to talk about.
I have a 18' all steel "car hauler" (works great for tractors though! /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif.) Electric brakes are a must for use with a heavy load. I have surge brakes (hydraulic) on a boat trailer, which work great too, just not as flexible when it comes to hills & the such.
Anywho, in addition to trailer brakes, definitely use "engine braking" as well (you can certainly do it in an automatic - just a little more "technique" is involved than a standard). It will save your brakes - long term wear and short term "fading" too.
I used a Dodge Durango (5.9 4x4) to tow a Jeep (and a BUNCH of junk) to Colorado & back. Definitely would have been a lot easier with a diesel, but it worked - of course I wish the trailer brakes had been working at the time going up and down those 7% grade mountains! (a LONG story...../w3tcompact/icons/eyes.gif)
hosejockey2002
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It won't hurt your truck to drive your truck in fourth gear. Fifth is an overdrive, and before about the early or mid eighties or so very few pickups had overdrive. Getting the load rolling might be your biggest issue with the manual transmission. Newer half-ton pickups usually don't have a "granny" or extra low gear to start out in whereas heavy duty 3/4 or 1 ton pickups usually do. I tow a smaller Yanmar compact (total load 3500 pounds) with a manual transmission Ford Explorer and it does fine once I'm rolling but starting on a hill can be tough on the clutch. Since you have 4WD you can use low range if you need to back up a steep driveway or anything hairy like that.