Will this connector give me issue when trying to remove it?

[SylvainG]

So, I found the following in the loader manual under diagram (don't know why I never noticed this before)

#36 is an o-ring and 24 is "Adapter PF3/8 O-Ringx3/4-16UNF'

So, looks like the block side is a ORB but not sure if it's a #6 (3/8) or #12 (3/4). The hose connection seems quite small for 3/4 so my guess is the block side is #12. Hose is part #22 and is written as 904(3/8)x4(3/8)x800L so the hose connector is the 3/8 but still doesn't explain the type of fittings. They show no o-ring between #24 and #22 (the hose) so it's probably not a ORB. Must be either JIC or NPT and you guys seem to be adamant it's JIC, so looks like that's the T I'll need.

https://www.princessauto.com/en/2-jicm-37-x-jicf-37-swivel-tees/product/PA1000000567?skuId=8413585

 

[WranglerX]

This document may help you....

 

[SylvainG]

Thanks, although it would require that the connectors are taken apart to get a good look at the ends.

Now, take a look at this one circled in red. Unlike the others, it's rusted and has Teflon tape. Do you think it's NPTF or GIC? To me, it looks like they took out the original fitting when they took out the quick coupler and installed this one to fit their hose so I can't assume it's a GIC.

 

[TMGT]

Thanks, although it would require that the connectors are taken apart to get a good look at the ends.

Now, take a look at this one circled in red. Unlike the others, it's rusted and has Teflon tape. Do you think it's NPTF or GIC? To me, it looks like they took out the original fitting when they took out the quick coupler and installed this one to fit their hose so I can't assume it's a GIC.

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That one looks like an NPT, and since most QC's use NPT connections I would say it's a safe bet.

 

[BukitCase]

That one looks to me like a real cobble-up - I would say that if the other adapters on the valve block are ORB, then the circled one is likely to be a male orb/NPT female, followed by an NPT male/JIC female, into which the hose JIC male is attached.

If so, I would scrap ALL those fittings and start over - If my guesses above are correct, I would insert one of these into the ORB female

6804 | JIC 37° x Straight Thread (ORB) Run Tee

Our High Quality Steel 6804 fittings are ideal for your next hydraulic hose project. Choose Discount Hydraulic Hose for fast service, and great prices!

www.discounthydraulichose.com

then add one of these for your JIC male (blue) hose

6565 | JIC 37° Swivel Nut Union

Shop online for your steel 6565 fittings. Large Inventory, Fast Shipping and Great Prices at Discount Hydraulic Hose.

www.discounthydraulichose.com

and,depending on the sex of your add-on tank hose, either this

6500 | JIC 37° Swivel Nut 90°

Shop online for your steel 6500 fittings. Large Inventory, Fast Shipping and Great Prices at Discount Hydraulic Hose.

www.discounthydraulichose.com

Or another of the 6565 unions in addition to the 6500 90 degree.

Doing it that way would bring ALL your hoses out in the same direction, and would likely make things a bit neater.

ALL the above pre-supposes that I'm right about the cobble job AND my other assumptions - and you're right, the only way to be SURE at this point is to disconnect the BS that's there... Steve

PS - if you don't already have a digital caliper, I would get one - I would also download the thread guide linked above; those two items will help you figure out if all your fittings are the more common -4, -6, -8, etc, or a bastardized -5 (yes, I HAVE run into that; thankfully, only ONCE...

 

[RickB]

So why not just disassemble it and verify what it is before you buy the wrong tee?

 

[PILOON]

So why not just disassemble it and verify what it is before you buy the wrong tee?

But that's logical....

 

[SylvainG]

So why not just disassemble it and verify what it is before you buy the wrong tee?

My concern is if I take it apart and a fitting breaks or start to leak, I won't be able to use the tractor until it's fixed and with the stores closed because of COVID-9 here, I can only mail order and that takes time, specially again because of COVID-9.

My local Kioti dealer says those nipples are out of stock and TractorJoe charges $30 US for a part costing $4 US to deliver here

I'm thinking of buying different fittings and returning those I didn't need once the stores reopen.

 

[SylvainG]

That one looks to me like a real cobble-up - I would say that if the other adapters on the valve block are ORB, then the circled one is likely to be a male orb/NPT female, followed by an NPT male/JIC female, into which the hose JIC male is attached.

If so, I would scrap ALL those fittings and start over - If my guesses above are correct, I would insert one of these into the ORB female

6804 | JIC 37° x Straight Thread (ORB) Run Tee

Our High Quality Steel 6804 fittings are ideal for your next hydraulic hose project. Choose Discount Hydraulic Hose for fast service, and great prices!

www.discounthydraulichose.com

then add one of these for your JIC male (blue) hose

6565 | JIC 37° Swivel Nut Union

Shop online for your steel 6565 fittings. Large Inventory, Fast Shipping and Great Prices at Discount Hydraulic Hose.

www.discounthydraulichose.com

and,depending on the sex of your add-on tank hose, either this

6500 | JIC 37° Swivel Nut 90°

Shop online for your steel 6500 fittings. Large Inventory, Fast Shipping and Great Prices at Discount Hydraulic Hose.

www.discounthydraulichose.com

Or another of the 6565 unions in addition to the 6500 90 degree.

Doing it that way would bring ALL your hoses out in the same direction, and would likely make things a bit neater.

ALL the above pre-supposes that I'm right about the cobble job AND my other assumptions - and you're right, the only way to be SURE at this point is to disconnect the BS that's there... Steve

PS - if you don't already have a digital caliper, I would get one - I would also download the thread guide linked above; those two items will help you figure out if all your fittings are the more common -4, -6, -8, etc, or a bastardized -5 (yes, I HAVE run into that; thankfully, only ONCE...

According to the loader docs, the block fittings are ORBF-12 (3/4") and since the hoses are JICF-6 (3/8") and Princess Auto do not sell reducer from 12 to 6, I need to combine as such

ORBM12 to JICM8 https://www.princessauto.com/en/jic...d-adapters/product/PA1000000472?skuId=8414302
JICF8 to JICM6 https://www.princessauto.com/en/jic...ze-adapter/product/PA1000000464?skuId=8120263
JICM(2)F(1) T https://www.princessauto.com/en/2-jicm-37-x-jicf-37-swivel-tees/product/PA1000000567?skuId=8413544

This is assuming the current fitting for the tank port is giving me problem and needs to be replaced, otherwise simply screw in the T and return the 'spares'.

For the block's PB port, that one will probably be fully replaced. So, again a ORBM12 to JICM8, followed by a JICF8 to NPTM 3/8" so I can connect the male 3/8" QC. Because there is thread showing on that end of the hose, it's gotta be 3/8 NPTF so I'll need a 3/8 NTPM to NTPM nipple so I can connect the female 3/8 QC to the hose. But just in case, I'll also buy a JICM6 to NTPM 3/8 coupler.

ORBM12 to JICM8 https://www.princessauto.com/en/jic...d-adapters/product/PA1000000472?skuId=8414302
JICF8 to NPTM 3/8 https://www.princessauto.com/en/npt...d-adapters/product/PA1000000481?skuId=8058399
NPT M/F 3/8 QC https://www.princessauto.com/en/pioneer-nptf-quick-couplers-sets/product/PA1000000564?skuId=8003332
NPTM 3/8 Nipple https://www.princessauto.com/en/nptm-x-nptm-nipples/product/PA1000000528?skuId=8412538
or
JICM6 MTPM 3/8 https://www.princessauto.com/en/jic...d-adapters/product/PA1000000471?skuId=8414005

Since the valve I'm buying uses ORBF 8 and 10 (for P2 and T2) fittings and I want to reuse my hoses (except for the missing hose which will be a new JICF 3/8 hose), I'll need a ORBM8 to NTPF 1/2 elbow for the P port, ORBM10 to NTPF 1/2 elbow for the PB port and ORBM8 to NTPF 1/2 couplers for the work port (since the work ports already have a crimped NPTM 1/2 elbow).

ORMN8 NPTF 1/2 https://www.princessauto.com/en/orb...d-adapters/product/PA1000000515?skuId=8416166
ORMN10 NPTF 1/2 https://www.princessauto.com/en/orb...d-adapters/product/PA1000000515?skuId=8416182
ORBM8- NPTF 1/2 https://www.princessauto.com/en/orb...d-adapters/product/PA1000000487?skuId=8416075

If you're following, you'll notice that the PB hose has a 1/2 NTPM on one end (at the valve) and 3/8 NTPF at the other end (at the block). I'm adjusting my couplers accordingly.

For the backhoe end, I'll get another male 3/8 QC, a 4' 3/8 NPTM hose, a NPTF 3/8 to NPTM 1/2 coupler since the backhoe QC are 1/2" NTPF (which I already have).

NPTF 3/8 male QC https://www.princessauto.com/en/hydraulic-quick-coupler-tips/product/PA1000000739?skuId=8350811
NPTM 3/8 4' hose https://www.princessauto.com/en/3-8...assemblies/product/PA1000000645?skuId=8514374
NPTF 3/8 NPTM 1/2 https://www.princessauto.com/en/jic...d-adapters/product/PA1000000471?skuId=8414013

The valve will either be a one or two spools valve. Haven't decided yet if I later want an extra remote. If I get the two spools, I'll simple plug its work ports for now.
One spool https://www.princessauto.com/en/bm40-single-spool-directional-control-valve/product/PA0008669715
Two spools https://www.princessauto.com/en/bm40-2-spool-directional-control-valve/product/PA0008669723

I'll need to add its PB adpater plug as well as plug P2 which won't be used
PB Adapter https://www.princessauto.com/en/power-beyond-adapters/product/PA1000000789?skuId=1259050
ORB10 Plug ORBM10 https://www.princessauto.com/en/orbm-plugs/product/PA1000000534?skuId=8417289

There, that should finally do it. If all works to plan and many $$$ later, I should have fixed my problem with the current valve.

Sorry for the long read, it gave me a chance to double checked my set up

BTW, yes, I do have a digital caliper, as well as an old school one that never runs out of battery

 

[TMGT]

How much of a pain is it for you to order from US companies? I know some won't ship to you and you can end up spending more, but I would look around for better options then stacking a bunch of adaptor fittings.
All the size adaptors you listed are readily available to go from block to hose without multiples adaptors, at least here in the US.