Will UAW Strike?

[ruffdog]

Actually I did, and did not.

I endured the strike that the UAW broke IH, and they closed the local plant soon after the strike ended.

It was the worlds largest truck plant and within just a few years it was closed down, along with the Scout plant

Many times there are not as many benefits to the members as the union leadership like to promote

It wasn't the unions fault as why IH and the Scout went down. It was the horrendous 1960's level build quality that did it, especially when better quality imports were hitting their stride.

 

[lilranch2001]

It wasn't the unions fault as why IH and the Scout went down. It was the horrendous 1960's build quality that did it, especially when better quality imports were hitting their stride.

No, you would be incorrect!

IH had a major portion of the heavy truck market and the strike allowed other domestic manufacturers overtake them

Scout had just redesigned the body with a fiberglass body and was ready to release it, but the finance guys in Chicago decided that the company needed to trip its expenses, so they closed a plant that would have been ripe to take over the 4x4 market of the 90’s.

But then you seem to think you know more about a manufacturer than me, but my sister was the product manager for the redesigned scout…..

 

[ruffdog]

No, you would be incorrect!

IH had a major portion of the heavy truck market and the strike allowed other domestic manufacturers overtake them

Scout had just redesigned the body with a fiberglass body and was ready to release it, but the finance guys in Chicago decided that the company needed to trip its expenses, so they closed a plant that would have been ripe to take over the 4x4 market of the 90’s.

But then you seem to think you know more about a manufacturer than me, but my sister was the product manager for the redesigned scout…..

.....all the while Jeep continued to plug away and is doing fine today? The cost for IH to be competitive in the market at that time was just too much for it. Times were changing.

 

[lilranch2001]

My point exactly!

Jeep was never targeted by the UAW.

And jeep was even a bigger rust bucket that scouts!

Right now one of the most desirable classic 4x4s is the old scouts!

 

[airbiscuit]

If the patient is sick, it doesn't help if it has a parasite.

 

[ruffdog]

IH even sold off its garden tractor business to Cub Cadet. At least they knew what to do with it and was prosperous for years to come. Dinosaurs go extinct if they don't evolve. Sure people look at Scouts as a collector item. No different than the old Ford Broncos.

"The first Scout was introduced in 1960. A concept for its replacement was initiated in 1964 and approved for production in mid-1965. The Scout II was introduced in 1971. The basic sheet metal remained unchanged until production stopped on October 21, 1980. During the 20-year period (1960–1980), 532,674 Scouts were produced.

 

[lilranch2001]

.....all the while Jeep continued to plug away and is doing fine today? The cost for IH to be competitive in the market at that time was just too much for it. Times were changing.

As per usual you once again stick your “opinion“ into an area you have little to no knowledge of, and for anyone with said knowledge you look like a less than intelligent individual

 

[5030]

On the phone with one of my hunting buddies this morning and he just so happens to be the plant manager of a large steel processing concern in Butler, Indiana and he told me point blank that they are most certainly headed into a mass layoff situation if the strike isn't resolved quickly. He told me cancelation of orders has become commonplace as T2 and T3 automotive suppliers are belt tightening and they do a huge amount of business not only with the bog 3 but their suppliers as well.

Interesting article that was posted but then I knew Fords was finding Fain and company tedious right from the get go. Remember, I have an 'In' at Fords.

What will be interesting is when their strike fund is depleted and the rank and file won't get any financial assistance and the cannot get unemployment either (at least here in Michigan). I hear the fund might last until Christmas, maybe, depending on how many members Fain decides to pull off the job.

 

[lilranch2001]

IH even sold off its garden tractor business to Cub Cadet. At least they knew what to do with it and was prosperous for years to come. Dinosaurs go extinct if they don't evolve. Sure people look at Scouts as a collector item. No different than the old Ford Broncos.

"The first Scout was introduced in 1960. A concept for its replacement was initiated in 1964 and approved for production in mid-1965. The Scout II was introduced in 1971. The basic sheet metal remained unchanged until production stopped on October 21, 1980. During the 20-year period (1960–1980), 532,674 Scouts were produced.

And you felt the need to look up data I already knew? Why?

But failed to find the fact that the new body was about to be released into the next model year, but instead the finance guys killed the entire line up?


Wonder why you failed in mentioning that fact….

 

[ruffdog]

By the time IH would have been able to get the new and improved model to the public, newer and faster companies like Toyota would make it out dated once again. Dinosaurs just don't move fast enough. No, it wasn't the unions fault with IH.....just keep playing the blame game lil

 

[Torvy]

IH even sold off its garden tractor business to Cub Cadet.

Not factual. Cub Cadet was an IH brand name for its line of garden tractors. They sold the brand and the business to MTD in the early 80s. My family had IH dealerships and I spent many an afternoon mowing on various cub cadets.

 

[lilranch2001]

Somehow my post quoted 5030, not dog….

funny how you went to the effort to cut n paste production data for a discussion that I am more than willing to admit, but failed to include the pertinent information to the conversation, the part where a major manufacturer had just redesigned a product line that would have changed the entire make up of the industry but due to the fact the union “broke” the company thousands and thousands of jobs were lost! (10,000 in Fort Wayne alone)

Kind of dishonest conversation IMHO!

Pretty much what could happen to the whole automotive industry in the up and coming years!

By the time IH would have been able to get the new and improved model to the public, newer and faster companies like Toyota would make it out dated once again. Dinosaurs just don't move fast enough. No, it wasn't the unions fault with IH.....just keep playing the blame game lil

oooh. Like you mean the Land Cruiser?? Rust bucket heaven??

Lmao. Man you just keep coming up with more n more lame responses

Have you ever been in Land Cruiser from that era? They would literally rust as you drove them through a car wash!

 

[milkman636]

The only light vehicles made in the 70’s and 80’s that have any value to me are the square body GM trucks and their derivatives. They still have a loyal following and a great supply of parts. The rest of the stuff was just underpowered, short lived, obsolete rust waiting to happen.

Today we seem to be at the opposite end of the spectrum, everything is over-complicated, overpriced, and one software update away from being obsolete.

There was a run of decent prices and durability in the 90’s and early 2000s. I hope this reset that appears to be coming gets us back to a newer version of that.

 

[lilranch2001]

Square body GM trucks were as much a rust bucket as the rest of the line up of American vehicles, they only thing that you can say about them is that you could get a 454 in them and they would kick a$$

 

[ruffdog]

Not factual. Cub Cadet was an IH brand name for its line of garden tractors. They sold the brand and the business to MTD in the early 80s. My family had IH dealerships and I spent many an afternoon mowing on various cub cadets.

My IH 982 has a IH serial tag. Shortly after the new 982's came with a Cub Cadet serial tag. It seems IH sold out to MTD (cub cadet) because why? It wasn't the union.

 

[lilranch2001]

Square body GM trucks were as much a rust bucket as the rest of the line up of American vehicles, they only thing that you can say about them is that you could get a 454 in them and they would kick a$$

Actually, I had a 1977 F250 351, and when I sold it in 1985, there was no body rot, and it would almost keep up with the 454, but I had put a cam, 4 barrel and headers on it, and sold it for more than I paid for it with 55K on it

 

[lilranch2001]

My IH 982 has a IH serial tag. Shortly after the new 982's came with a Cub Cadet serial tag. It seems IH sold out to MTD (cub cadet) because why? It wasn't the union.

Dude, you just keep making my point….

 

[ruffdog]

And you felt the need to look up data I already knew? Why?

But failed to find the fact that the new body was about to be released into the next model year, but instead the finance guys killed the entire line up?


Wonder why you failed in mentioning that fact….

The finance killed the lineup because they saw the writing on the wall. Over 20 years IH only sold half a million Scouts and now people were buying new and improved vehicles. Even new Scouts were called "old Scouts" because of dated technology. Their product would not survive.

 

[Torvy]

My IH 982 has a IH serial tag. Shortly after the new 982's came with a Cub Cadet seriaistoel tag. It seems IH sold out to MTD (cub cadet) because why? It wasn't the union.

Read more carefully. Cub Cadet was invented by IH. They didn't sell it to Cub Cadet, they were Cub Cadet. They sold the entire line, name and all to MTD. Read Cub Cadet's history.

Cub Cadet - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Sold due to financial hardships. One of those hardships was the UAW.

 

[ruffdog]

funny how you went to the effort to cut n paste production data for a discussion that I am more than willing to admit, but failed to include the pertinent information to the conversation, the part where a major manufacturer had just redesigned a product line that would have changed the entire make up of the industry but due to the fact the union “broke” the company thousands and thousands of jobs were lost! (10,000 in Fort Wayne alone)

Thanks for helping make my point. Scout had 10k workers to make only 500k trucks over a 20 year period. It was outdated manufacturing at its best. New manufacturing was here and IH died because they were slow.