Window motor for chute ?

[wawajake]

Okay I have seen a few of you folks have used a car electric window motor , to rotate your snowblower chutes........but has anyone tried using one of those motors to move the chute deflector up and down. Or does anyone see problems that would arise if I try doing it.
See my picture attached............as you can see I don't need to have a electric chute rotator , because I can do it manually from my seat by reaching thru the cab rear felt cloth and turning the crank.
But I still have to get off my machine and comfort of the cab to change the chute deflection angle. The chute deflector has a very robust steel rod and attachment points and if I had easy access in Canada to a (under $100) linear actuator I would use that route, but I have not found one............but a electric window motor from scrap yard looks tempting and cheap.

What thoughts from others ?

 

[msb1766]

I use a 12 volt actuator, Here is mine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaKW7-iXPRc
I mounted mine using exsisting holes in the chute.
There are many ways to mount them search you tube and you will see.

 

[J_J]

Why not.

Just install a pulley on the motor shaft and use a wire with spring.

The spring will keep the chute in a default angle.

Change the chute angle by operating the window motor.

Reverse the window motor back to default angle.

 

[smfcpacfp]

I posted this regarding my electric chute deflector. It is still working well:

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...flector-kubota-b3030.html?highlight=deflector

 

[smfcpacfp]

I have the setup you mention on my Kubota and it works fine

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/snow-removal/230073-electric-chute-deflector-kubota-b3030.html?highlight=deflector

 

[bumperm]

I installed a 12volt linear actuator on my previous Kubota (from eBay), worked fine. The car window drive motor works better for chute rotation. You can couple the motors gear to the original mechanical drive "worm" gear using a short length of heater hose. Use a stainless steel hose clamp on the gear end and a through bolt on the work gear end.

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[tractorgp]

Okay I have seen a few of you folks have used a car electric window motor , to rotate your snowblower chutes........but has anyone tried using one of those motors to move the chute deflector up and down. Or does anyone see problems that would arise if I try doing it.
See my picture attached............as you can see I don't need to have a electric chute rotator , because I can do it manually from my seat by reaching thru the cab rear felt cloth and turning the crank.
But I still have to get off my machine and comfort of the cab to change the chute deflection angle. The chute deflector has a very robust steel rod and attachment points and if I had easy access in Canada to a (under $100) linear actuator I would use that route, but I have not found one............but a electric window motor from scrap yard looks tempting and cheap.

What thoughts from others ?

Here's a pic of my old and new linear actuators. I bought the new one a week or so ago at Princess Auto for $70. It has a stroke of 4 inches and max load of 270 pounds. As you can see the new one is somewhat different in physical size but should fit just fine on my BX25 rear mounted snowblower. The old unit was mechanically damaged when I rammed the deflector into a hard snow bank.

 

[wawajake]

I appreciate the actuator suggestions...and maybe that ends up being my only option..........but up here in Canada similar actuators from a Toronto supplier are $175....plus I would still need switches etc so probably over $220 with taxes. (we don't have no Princess Auto either , we do have NAPA?) Anyone see a manufacturer name brand on their actuators and model number maybe I will pay the duty and logisitics to get it across border by doing search that way. I do see that using a threaded rod with window motor could be tricky to protect from jambing whereas actuators are all protected.

 

[Amvcane]

I just finished an electric chute rotator with a power window motor $10 from the bone yard. Perfect speed and very happy with results. Now I am thinking about motorizing the deflector. There is a huge selection of linear actuators on ebay which seem reasonably priced $50-60. Maybe one of these could be an option for you.

 

[tractorgp]

Here's a pic of my old and new linear actuators. I bought the new one a week or so ago at Princess Auto for $70. It has a stroke of 4 inches and max load of 270 pounds. As you can see the new one is somewhat different in physical size but should fit just fine on my BX25 rear mounted snowblower. The old unit was mechanically damaged when I rammed the deflector into a hard snow bank.
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Here's a video of the new linear actuator installed on the snow blower. As you can see I had to make up a little adapter to allow for the differences in physical dimensions and stroke length.

http://youtu.be/6AJ-86hcvTU

 

[skyhook]

I appreciate the actuator suggestions...and maybe that ends up being my only option..........but up here in Canada similar actuators from a Toronto supplier are $175....plus I would still need switches etc so probably over $220 with taxes. (we don't have no Princess Auto either , we do have NAPA?) Anyone see a manufacturer name brand on their actuators and model number maybe I will pay the duty and logisitics to get it across border by doing search that way. I do see that using a threaded rod with window motor could be tricky to protect from jambing whereas actuators are all protected.

Princess auto will ship, if you order on line, may be cheaper this way.

 

[bumperm]

A linear actuator can be had on eBay for well less than $100.

On the switch thing, I went to a fair amount of effort to locate a Joystick type switch, one that was robust enough to handle the motor current under load. The joystick was about 2 inches long and not that convenient to use with winter gloves.

In retrospect I would suggest using two DPDT (double pole double throw), center off, momentary toggle switches. One oriented with toggle up and down for deflector, and the other sideways for chute rotation. Wired like this:

Easiest Way To Reverse Electric Motor Directions - Robot Room

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[Scooby074]

Im going hydraulic when I do my conversion, soon I hope.

Got a 6" stroke cyl from PA for $49 on sale and one of their ProPoint hyd motors for $80 (50% off, returned). Now I got to gear up my remotes. How far away is the nearest PA? Might be worth a trip, they are hard to beat for this kind of stuff.

 

[bumperm]

Jason,

I did my current blower with hydraulics too. Used a 4" stroke, 2" diameter cylinder. Sure doesn't need that much power, the idea was to slow it down some. Even with the extra cylinder capacity I made a .032" orifice restrictor to get it slow enough.

 

[doxford jim]

I too want to make the chute control remote on my snow blower. I have a 1500lb winch I could use but really want to get away from too many exposed electrical connections etc.
On my tractor I have two hydraulic remotes that I could use. My problem is finding a small hydraulic motor that can be connected to the crank of the current hand operated system. My thought was to connect the extended motor shaft to the hand crank shaft using a rubber hose or similar arrangement. The motor would need to be reversible and only two ports to coincide with the two quick connects on the remote valves.
So far I have only found one that would do the job - but it was very expensive.
I would be open to any suggestions from members that have gone the hydraulic motor route. I have no hydraulic parts other than a few fittings and hoses, so what ever I use will need to be bought and I want to try and keep the cost down as much as possible.
So, if anyone has some thoughts they wopuldn't mind sharing, I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks

 

[bumperm]

How much is "expensive"? Here's one for $79 that should do fine. It's "slow high torque" (I guess that's relatively speaking :c) and you'll doubtless need to put in a restricter to slow it down further, but with 823 inch pounds of torque is should do the trick. Your idea of using a hose coupling should work nicely, I did that on my last tractor/blower. Cross bolt on one side and hose clamp on the other. You could even adjust the hose clamp to provide a slip clutch effect if you wanted.

2.5 cu in WHITE 255040F3DD22AAAA HYDRAULIC MOTOR

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[PILOON]

I have fooled around with a variety of 12 volt shoot drives and have to say that you do want a lot of low speed torque as ice occurs and you do need power to break the shoot loose.
In my case I presently use a wheelchair traction motor and that performs just great as would a small electric winch motor.
Unless you park indoors in heated garage I think window and seat 12 volt motors will not cut it.
At one time I used a chain and sprocket arrangement but ice between the links made that impracticable so I went to a cable wrap driven by a small motor drum with the best results.

 

[doxford jim]

bumper,

Thanks for the link. I am not sure but doesn't that motor require a separate return from the pump to the hydraulic tank ?
I found this motor in Canada that doesn't seem to need a separate return. I assume that the fluid goes both ways through either hose when connected to the remote on the tractor?

2.8 cu. in. 2-Bolt Hydraulic Gerotor Motor | Princess Auto

The motor is more expensive than Surplus Centre but is available in Canada for more money.
As I envisage the setup would be the motor mounted to a bracket with the motor outlet shaft in line with the mechanical shaft of the blower, connected with the hose coupling to allow for minor misalignment. Two short (4ft) hydraulic hoses connect the remote on the tractor to the pump - one disconnect to one port - both ports being connected. This should allow flow to and from the pump via the spool valve on the tractor remote. A flow restrictor or smaller hose would help reduce speed of motor. This would be a simple and weather proof set up - I think. It would use the tractor hydraulic oil from the main tank, thereby being warmish and able to do it's job.

I am not too much involved with hydraulic systems so maybe my thoughts are won't pan out.
Would appreciate comments regarding what I have in mind - good or bad.
Thanks for your interest.
jim

 

[Scooby074]

Jason,

I did my current blower with hydraulics too. Used a 4" stroke, 2" diameter cylinder. Sure doesn't need that much power, the idea was to slow it down some. Even with the extra cylinder capacity I made a .032" orifice restrictor to get it slow enough.

Good point on the speed. The cyl I got is only 1". Should be plenty fast lol. Ill likely have to drill out an orifice or something.

 

[Scooby074]

I too want to make the chute control remote on my snow blower. I have a 1500lb winch I could use but really want to get away from too many exposed electrical connections etc.
On my tractor I have two hydraulic remotes that I could use. My problem is finding a small hydraulic motor that can be connected to the crank of the current hand operated system. My thought was to connect the extended motor shaft to the hand crank shaft using a rubber hose or similar arrangement. The motor would need to be reversible and only two ports to coincide with the two quick connects on the remote valves.
So far I have only found one that would do the job - but it was very expensive.
I would be open to any suggestions from members that have gone the hydraulic motor route. I have no hydraulic parts other than a few fittings and hoses, so what ever I use will need to be bought and I want to try and keep the cost down as much as possible.
So, if anyone has some thoughts they wopuldn't mind sharing, I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks

Youll have to define expensive. The ProPoint motor I got from PA was way, way overkill from a power perspective, but the price was right. Even the cylinder at 1" has more power than needed. I also bought a 1" lovejoy for the motor, and a 1/2" lovejoy for the worm screw on the blower (approx $10 ea). But I got rotation and deflection for under $175 which is a deal to me.

Problem with PA is lots of these extreme deals like this are in store only. Returns and stuff like that. Still, even on mail order, if you watch the sales you should be able to gear up for under $225-250.

check this motor for 135 on sale 3.2 cu. in. 4-Bolt Hydraulic Spool Valve Geroler Motor | Princess Auto