Windows--98, 2000, ME, XP???

   / Windows--98, 2000, ME, XP??? #51  
Geeks are always satisfied with something they can tinker with. Linux is a very fun tinker toy. Therefore, it must be a duck. I, personally, like Mandrake the best out of all operating systems. But you will never see it in my office, where I make my living, until it is the number 1 distributed and supported OS in the country. BAAA, I'm a sheep, and if everyone else jumped off a bridge, I would too. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

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   / Windows--98, 2000, ME, XP???
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#52  
More on the CNET XP polls. There actually are polls on four different versions of XP, which is why Huck is posting different numbers. Here they all are with the number of participants in parentheses:

XP Professional (full version) -- 63% (89)
XP Professional (upgrade version) -- 62% (38)
XP Home (full) -- 48% (1805)
XP Home (upgrade) -- 52% (97)

As you can see, the full and upgrade ratings are very close to each other for both the Pro and Home versions.

I think one can conclude from the CNET and Epinion polls that Windows is the lowest rated operating system going, particularly for non-professionals, except (anomalously) for Windows 2000.
 
   / Windows--98, 2000, ME, XP??? #53  
<font color=blue>I think one can conclude from the CNET and Epinion polls that Windows is the lowest rated operating system going, particularly for non-professionals, except (anomalously) for Windows 2000.</font color=blue>

Talk about your anomalies. What is Microsoft Windows market share? It's what we love to hate. Go figure.

(by the way -- I could not find XP Home (full) on the CNET review pages. Found all the others -- but not that one.)
 
   / Windows--98, 2000, ME, XP??? #54  
<font color=blue>What is Red Hat, anyway?</font color=blue>

A commercial version of Linux.

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   / Windows--98, 2000, ME, XP??? #55  
"Microsoft’s share of PC operating system sales has been above 90 percent every year for the last decade. For the last couple of years, its share has been above 95 percent. " -- Creating Competition in the Market for Operating Systems: A Structural Remedy for Microsoft

So Microsoft is a monopoly -- we don't have a lot of choice -- we're squeezed into picking Microsoft. It seems that could account for some resentment toward Microsoft. Clicking "Thumbs Down" on some web page might be a convenient way of reflecting that resentment. Still, the CNET reviews don't really show that resentment. For the number of Mac users weighing in there were relatively few Windows users based on market share. And many of the negative "reviews" I read were nothing more than rants about Microsoft (many of them were complaints that Microsoft copies the Mac.)

I think there may be a new "silent majority." Computer users who are not unhappy with their computers and are not so aware of the operating system itself that they would bother to answer a thumbs up/down survey.
 
   / Windows--98, 2000, ME, XP???
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#56  
Bird, I bet ME is like owning a Howse brushcutter: for the average guy, it'll do 98% of what the fancy brands will do.

Here's the history of Windows/Mac operating systems, according to no one but me. In the beginning, the operating system was IBM DOS, which ran on IBM's proprietary PC hardware. In order to have DOS do anything at all, you had to memorize and type in, on a black screen, zillions of gibberish "commands", composed of meaningless globs of letters, numbers and punctuation marks. So, DOS was like Martian, and only geeks like Muhammad and Harv used PCs, or even wanted to.

Then, Apple invented the graphical user interface (GUI) for its Macs. Gone were all commands. No Martian.The screen was colorful and full of icons, windows, pull down menus, and all the other things you now associate with MS Windows. You instructed the computer by clicking on things instead of typing in memorized Martian commands. Also, since Macs never had a DOS, or DOS application programs, the Mac OS was designed from the beginning to work directly on and with Apple's proprietary hardware in a very efficient manner. Mac's proprietary hardware was different from IBM's proprietary hardware. IBM had 90% market share of the machines sold.

MS knew a good thing when they saw it, so they "borrowed' essentially all of Apple's Mac GUI, and called their pirated product Windows. Apple sued MS for copyright infringement, but after about 8 years ultimately lost the case.

PC hardware geeks also knew a good thing when they saw it, so they "cloned" IBM's hardware design. IBM lost lawsuits, and the world of clones exploded. The bandit geeks didnt clone Apple's hardware because Apple had done more sophisticated technical and legal things to protect their hardware, and also because Apple only had a 10% (and declining) market share.

So, now, MS's pirated Windows operating system was the only non-Martian operating system that would work on the zillions of pirated PC's now being made. IBM actually developed a windows-GUI, called OS/2, but it never succeeded in the market because IBM made the brilliant move of giving MS an exclusive license to the underlying DOS. (Have you noted, so far, how MS's monopolistic success has had almost nothing to do with innovation or technical brilliance.)

It is this "underlying DOS", however, that has plagued Windows and has made it bloated, unfriendly, inflexible and unstable. MS, in developing Windows, was faced with two problems that Apple was not. First, Apple controlled the design of its hardware; MS had to accomodate whatever IBM and the pirates (= the "PCs") were doing with their hardware. Second, MS couldn't allow Windows to obsolete all the DOS application programs that people were using on the DOS PC's. So MS had to allow Windows to be backward compatible--ie, work with--all those DOS applications as well as with all the new Windows applications.

This means Windows is not an operating sytem that efficiently operates right on the hardware, as Mac OS does; Windows is actually a huge overlayer that is bolted on top of all that old DOS Martian code. Therefore, everytime you want to do anything in Windows, it all has to be emulated and translated into Martian before it can do anyhing on the hardware.

This DOS-overlayered Windows I will call Martian Windows. It became Windows 95 and then Windows 98. Gates then promised that there would be no more Martian Windows after 98. He saw the future as being with a non-DOS-based version of Windows that he called Windows NT. We will call this Earth Windows.

Earth Windows was supposed to be released in 1999. But it fell behind shedule. Gates had to come out with a new product in 1999 to meet his commitment, so he issued another Martian release and called it Windows 98 2nd edition. Then, because Earth Windows kept falling behind schedule, Gates felt he had to do "something" for the Millenium, so he did two things. First, He released another Martian version called ME. He was too chicken to call it Windows 98 3rd edition because that would identify it for what it was, and didnt sound sexy enough. Second, he released a sort of Earth-Martian hybrid called Windows 2000.

XP is supposed to be the real Earth Windows (or, at least, the hybridization is supposed to be reduced). But it comes in at least two editions, Home and Professional, and has a controversial licensing scheme called WPA. WPA is intended to eliminated pirating. You know, those geeks have continued to know a good thing, so historically have copied MS's programs from each other rather than buying them from MS. (Most geeks believe this kind of copying is a constitutioal right.) WPA locks each program's use to the serial numbers of the hardware configuration on which it is first installed. Any reinstalls of the software on the same configuration, or any installation of an additional device into the configuration, will be deemed as potential piracy by MS and will require their permission to do. (This is like having to get Howse's permission to brush cut your neighbor's yard.)

Meanwhile, Apple adopted the parallel/vector processing PowerPC G chip for its Mac's instead of Intel's Pentium chip, further uniquifying and isolating themselves. They have just released their first operating system, OS X, that has been written and optimized to run native on the G chip. Thus G4 Macs running OS X will operate at supercomputer speeds, but with the "original", never-Martian-based, ultra-friendly GUI. This breeds what appears to be zealousness by the unfortunate computer professionals who are irretrievably locked into clumsy Martian software because of the monopolistic omnipresence of Windows application programs and PC hardware machines. They are fatalistically doomed to have no free will in the matter.

Home and small business users have free will. They should look at Mac with OS X. They will not even lose their investment in PC application programs. The G4 chips are so fast that, using an emulation program called Virtual PC, the Macs can run any of the Windows operating sytems and applications at Pentium II+ speeds. In fact, you can run a copy of all the Windows operating sytem simulataneously in their own windows on a Mac.

People like me may not have complete free will. If I work in a large organization that has a Wintel intranet, the predestination-doomed computer professionals will resist any attempts to incorporate a Mac into the system.

Thus it is.
 
   / Windows--98, 2000, ME, XP??? #57  
Zealots. I tell you, those Mac users are a bunch of zealots!/w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

You're close on a few things glennmac. But you are wrong about free will. We all have complete free will -- but we are pragmatic -- and pragmatism often imposes itself on our decision making process. I like to eat. I write programs for Windows. I don't have a loyalty to Microsoft. I have a fondness for food.
 
   / Windows--98, 2000, ME, XP??? #58  
Glennmac, I think I pretty well understand most of what you're saying this time - which is stretch for a feller who knows no more about computers than I./w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif The first IBM I bought (moving up from Radio Shack) came with OS/2 installed, but also came with a set of floppy disks to delete it and install Windows 3.1, which I did because everyone I knew at the time who could bail me out when I didn't understand something was using MS Windows.

Bird
 
   / Windows--98, 2000, ME, XP??? #59  
Bird,

I wouldn't worry for one second about your choice. ME is fine.

Buck
 
   / Windows--98, 2000, ME, XP??? #60  
Buck, <font color=blue>ME is fine</font color=blue>
For What? My Wife (admittedly nuts) loves it, and for her usage, has no problems with it. For my purposes, ME was a royal pain in the rump, and always a problem. Admittedly, big differance in ways of using, and programs used with. That is why I dropped back to 98SE...for my way of using/needs, it is much more stable for me.
For Glennmac, or most of the average users, ME would probably be ok also, even though it is NOT a stable platform.
For some links to articles on XP, and related issues see attachment above.
 

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