Winter blend Diesel

[koziol41]

I live in southeastern Wi.Does any one know when stations start selling winter blend Diesel fuel? My JD 2520 needs fuel and i would like to fill up with the winter blend since i wont be using it that much till the snow fly's.Thanks

 

[MikePA]

Wouldn't it be easier, and safer, to just dump in some Power Service? Then there's no doubt you'd be ready for winter.

 

[Northland]

I'd too would put in the Power Service. I use it year round (white bottle in winter and silver bottle in summer) and it works very well.

I also use a mr.funnel I bought through Gempler's webstore

I found the winter fuel didn't run my B7800 engine as smoothly as summer fuel.

 

[jbrumberg]

I tried getting some ULSD for my tractor from the local high volume station I use, but they were out awaiting a delivery later today. I asked the attendant when they were going to switch to the "Winter Mix". THe attendant did not know, but was going to ask. I use Power Service (White Bottle) year round with a double load as recommended for the Winter. Last year's ULSD "mix" from the NE distributors was less than optimal . I hope they have reformulated the mix for this season. I also use a Mr. Funnel. Jay

 

[johnk]

I'm pretty sure here in Western NY they start putting the additives in around November 15th. At least that is what I was tols at a few stations. I also use Power Service Year round which is cheap insurance against gelling problems.

 

[cp1969]

I live in southeastern Wi.Does any one know when stations start selling winter blend Diesel fuel? My JD 2520 needs fuel and i would like to fill up with the winter blend since i wont be using it that much till the snow fly's.Thanks

There isn't always a fixed winter blend. The ratio of #1 diesel blended in to #2 to winterize it varies as the winter progresses. Mid January will probably be the most winterized fuel you can buy.

I put in no more fuel than I plan to use in one month. That way I'm not trying to run in mid January with October fuel.

If you go back and read about last winter you'll find a lot of posts from people who used additives and gelled up. Apparently ULSD gels at a higher temp than old #2 and they did not get the blend ratios right last year. But the point is, the additives did not save the day.

I would not expect a repeat of last years problems. This year's blend ratio will probably be much higher.

 

[ToadHill]

I don't know for sure when they change to winter blend, but just last week diesel went up $.19 per gallon and gas prices didn't move so I assumed the blend changed.

 

[john_bud]

The blend isn't changed yet. The price hike is due to the conversion of diesel to fuel oil (changed the name mostly!).

As cp1969 stated, they are pretty JIT or Just In Time about matching the fuel to the temperatures. Last year they were not so much JIT but pretty much JALL or Just A Little Late, which made us SOL.

This winter should be better, but who knows? If they see mild temps, they won't treat the fuel. Then a cold snap blows thru and we all gel up like arteries in a grease freak.

jb

 

[Doc_Bob]

This winter should be better, but who knows? If they see mild temps, they won't treat the fuel. Then a cold snap blows thru and we all gel up like arteries in a grease freak.

jb

I hope you are right But someow, I never have been able to predict the weather (wrong half the time )
Bob

 

[john_bud]

You're right half the time? You are either a weather man in San Diego, or you look out the window!

Back on track,

I have already started to stock up on Howes Diesel treat. It works.

I used to use Powerservice in the white bottle, but after gelling up with the recommeded dose, adding an entire quart of the stuff, sitting in a garage with electric heater up to 75F for 36 hours it still gelled up two new fuel filters when brought out over night.

Added a 3x dose of Howes - back in the garage - worked like a champ.

My OPINION - Powerservice = no good for USLD.

Howes Diesel treat = Good for USLD


YMMV

jb

 

[Skyco]

Powerservice has a blend for ULSD that didn't come out all that long ago...I wonder if you had the older stuff and thats partly why it didn't work? Also from what I understand doubling up after it gels doesn't work either, it needs to be in the fuel before it gels. Of course I'm talking out of my hat because I'm in the south where gellng problems are rare

 

[joerocker]

Please...the other thread was closed...WHY don't the oil companies make fuel that DOESN'T jell? WHY do we NEED to add additives to it to make it through winter. Seems to me that there is something SERIOUSLY wrong here...

 

[KICK]

Please...the other thread was closed...WHY don't the oil companies make fuel that DOESN'T jell? WHY do we NEED to add additives to it to make it through winter. Seems to me that there is something SERIOUSLY wrong here...

because paraffin is a naturally occuring substance in petroleum and it happens to crystalize at low temperatures.

 

[joerocker]

because paraffin is a naturally occuring substance in petroleum and it happens to crystalize at low temperatures.

I understand that...my question is WHY do we have to add our OWN additives to keep it from jelling. Why don't they make the fuel "right" in the first place? How much does it cost to add anti-jell additives? A few cents a gallon? Probably less because that is the cost when you buy a bottle of it at the store. So, why isn't there enough in there to start with?

 

[KICK]

you dont have to buy them, especially in alabama.

if'n you was in North Dakota or Minnesota, its another story.

dont worry about gelling.

find something else upon which to appeal to your need for phobias. LOL.

 

[saparks10]

I understand that...my question is WHY do we have to add our OWN additives to keep it from jelling. Why don't they make the fuel "right" in the first place? How much does it cost to add anti-jell additives? A few cents a gallon? Probably less because that is the cost when you buy a bottle of it at the store. So, why isn't there enough in there to start with?

GREED. They want to make the most money with the least amount of effort. Those few cents per gallon add up to big numbers when you consider how many gallons they produce and sell per day. I completely agree with you. Were already paying rediculous prices for fuel, it seems like it should be good to go and we shouldnt have to worry about stuff like that. You know what they say though, money makes the world go round.

 

[Skyco]

Some of us, like me for instance, don't want winter fuel, if it has kerosene or #1 added. It has lower BTUs and results in decreased power and mileage. I'd much rather add my OWN de-geller if needed to regular old diesel.
Some of ya'll will want big oil to zip up your pants too after you used their gas station bathroom
SO THERE

 

[saparks10]

Some of us, like me for instance, don't want winter fuel, if it has kerosene or #1 added. It has lower BTUs and results in decreased power and mileage. I'd much rather add my OWN de-geller if needed to regular old diesel.
Some of ya'll will want big oil to zip up your pants too after you used their gas station bathroom
SO THERE

LOL I agree, i dont want or need it where i'm from. Things are the way they are regardless of what we think. I know this so i add my own stuff as well if i think it needs it.

 

[fish6942]

Questions regarding winter blend:

1) Is this just a mix with a higher ratio of #1 rather than #2?
2) I can get straight #1 at a local truck stop. Is there any harm in running this in my little Kubota?

 

[Ford850]

You're right half the time? You are either a weather man in San Diego, or you look out the window!

Back on track,

I have already started to stock up on Howes Diesel treat. It works.

I used to use Powerservice in the white bottle, but after gelling up with the recommeded dose, adding an entire quart of the stuff, sitting in a garage with electric heater up to 75F for 36 hours it still gelled up two new fuel filters when brought out over night.

Added a 3x dose of Howes - back in the garage - worked like a champ.

My OPINION - Powerservice = no good for USLD.

Howes Diesel treat = Good for USLD


YMMV

jb

John bud,

Did you add the powerservice to your fuel prior to the cold, or afterwards to try to thin the fuel?