Winter items to do on the tractor...

   / Winter items to do on the tractor... #31  
Can't resist a slight twist....why not convert your gas burning engine to propane. The very small fraction of noxious fumes (compared to gasoline) shouldn't bother your barn at all. I think quite a few warehouses and maybe even grocery stores still use it (but don't quote me on that). Also, the right muffler on it and the electric motor would sound as noisy.

Just to be a smart aleck, my twisted imagination also conjured an animatedly oversized windup key powering your indoor version. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / Winter items to do on the tractor... #32  
<font color="red"> why not convert your gas burning engine to propane. </font>
Were it my barn, a gas engine would be fine. I'm only named on the deed. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
   / Winter items to do on the tractor... #33  
Ahhh, I now understand!

Perhaps, the wind-up isn't so far fetched....can't risk a battery potentially leaking acid! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

How about the first hydrogen fuel cell powered PT?! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
   / Winter items to do on the tractor... #34  
Just a crazy idea, why not put the batteries in a trailer that has one wheel. The front of the trailer is tied to both sides of the back of the PT and the wheel is centered behind that. No trouble backing and plenty of room. Of couse the PT would be longer. Or maybe you only use the trailer if you are out on the property and have inboard batteries for the barn use. Just a crazy thought. Or mount the engine on the trailer for charging while in use.

Bob Rip
 
   / Winter items to do on the tractor... #35  
Charlie, Just to throw another concept into the mix..... there is a all-electric tractor and ATV that has been around for quite awhile called the Gorilla. Not quite a PT-180 in terms of lift arms, but might be a power train that could be more easily adapted for your application. www.GorillaVehicles.com

www.BuggiesUnlimited.com and other outfits that cater to the "hopped up-golf cart" community have numerous higher speed and higher torque motors plus controllers and axle rebuild kits, etc that may be of interest as well.

BTW are you thinking of buying a new 180 and stripping it down or would you be looking at a used one perhaps with a blown engine? In any case it should not be too hard to extend the rear tub if needed.

Sounds like an interesting project in any event even if it never leaves the arm chair!

Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to all!!!
 
   / Winter items to do on the tractor... #36  
Rip:
Thanks for the link. The performance of the Gorilla suggests that if I don't go for speed, I can get reasonable power and work time. I'd figure a 48V system and a single motor as the easiest to do.
<font color="red"> BTW are you thinking of buying a new 180 and stripping it down or would you be looking at a used one perhaps with a blown engine? </font>
I'd love to find a used one with a blown engine, but I figure the chances of that are nil. Although not confirmed, Terry thought PT might sell me the basic machine without the engine, etc. I've not gotten beyond an idle inquiry. Terry also suggested some doubt that it would be a very useful machine. I'm sure they've explored it at PT, but I know better than to ask for condidential engineering info. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
 
   / Winter items to do on the tractor... #37  
Seems like you could squeeze a lot of batteries in the area if you removed the gas engine, exhaust, muffler and gas tank. Not sure how the 180 is laid out. One electric motor to run the variable volume pump and another to run the lift/steering pump. You don't need a PTO for anything, do you? If so, I'd go for a third electric motor.

Have you thought about buying a carcass of a 180 and putting one electric motor at each corner? I wonder how you could get them to function without some sophisticated controllers though. You know how if you are standing still and rotate the steering wheel to the left and the front and back tires on the left roll toward each other while the tires on the right roll away from each other? How would you accomplish that motion with just electric motors at the wheels? How would you coordinate it if the unit was in motion? And most importantly, would you have brakes on electric motors if they had to free wheel, too. Seems you'd have to add brakes as well. I don't think you economically could do all that, so that means sticking with the hydraulic pump turned by an electric motor.

Then there's the question of how many pounds of batteries would you have to use to replace the HP of the gas engine and get a reasonable run time. Will the carcass of the 180 be able to support that much weight and still have a usefull capacity at the FEL? Will that joint that holds the two halves together be able to take the stress? Will the wheel motors be able to carry the weight? And what about hydraulic cooling? With an electric unit will you have to have an electric motor turning at 3600 RPM(or gear a shaft down to turn the pump at 3600RPM) constantly to supply the hydraulics, then use the treadle to control speed and direction? Or can you rig up something that senses treadle motion to kick in the electric motor at 3600 RPM. That seems like it would be hard to get smooth operation.

Whew! That's a lot of stuff to consider. I'm sure there's lots of stuff I missed and lots of stuff I don't understand the workings of. However, it just doesn't seem practical, but you already mentioned that part about horse people, and I have met a few. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

If it were me, I'd just get a propane conversion. They are readily available. There were two that I was looking at for our 8HP generator. One was just a carb replacement and the other was a dual fuel conversion kit. I'd go for the full carb replacement kit. That way, you just switch carbs and add a supply line for the propane. Mount the propane tank on top of the engine hood somewhere and convert the gas tank to a sprayer tank for weeds around the barns.
 
   / Winter items to do on the tractor... #38  
Since MossRoad mentioned it too, I have to plug LP one more time:

Perhaps you just need to show her all the indoor applications it's been proven in and she might warm up to the thought of an LP engine for the barn.

Also, think of gas stoves (disclaimer: should not to be used continuously for potential CO build up; do as I say not as I do /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif). When the power was out for a week, we heated the house with the stove and a camp-cooker for 3 days (that's probably over 10 gallons) before we nabbed the FILs generator (primarily to get the furnace up, but between running low on lantern oil and not having a washboard to tame the laundry, it was even more desirable).

Barely tickled the CO meter
Ahhnd nnnnooooo othuuuur ssssssssside efffexxxxxxxx eethur. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / Winter items to do on the tractor... #39  
<font color="red"> I have to plug LP one more time </font>
No disagreement here, but it's still noisy. I like the idea of quiet, if it can be done, and no muffler design can compete with electric.

If truth be told, the horse people aren't interested in any machine at all - it's just my compulsion to show them how much easier mucking stalls and hauling hay would be if they had a machine matched to the job - particularly a quiet, non-[plluting one.
 
   / Winter items to do on the tractor... #40  
<font color="red">Whew! That's a lot of stuff to consider. </font>

Enough so I can probably consider it until it's time to plow snow - or maybe until it's time to mow grass. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 

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