wire guage simple question

[eepete]

Wave soldering still uses an acid flux. The boards need to be rinsed soon after they are run through, typically within 30 minutes often sooner. Most small run houses (that's all I get involved with) use regular dishwashers for the boards.

Soundguy: Yeah, its pretty cool. Those things suck down about 15KW of power (and more for the AC in the summer time!).

Galvanized can use corrosive flux if you want to work without cleaning it 1st. I have a few spots on my gutter system where there is surface rust because the guy soldering up the pieces didn't wash it well enough. I'd rather clean it and use a rosin flux.

There are also water based fluxes and low-flux (mostly for paste solder). I wouldn't use them for "home use" as they require the metals to be very clean. Sometimes chips that have been stored to long and have some oxidation on the tin leads won't solder well with these fluxes.

I use a liquid rosin flux (Kester 44 formulation) when I need more than what's in the solder or if I'm using solid solder. I would claim that for everything electrical anyone in tractor land does, they should use a rosin flux.

Hmm. The horse isn't breathing any more...

Pete

 

[hr3]

Sooo "What ever happened to Chopped".. I asked the question in the begining.. Ac or Dc... ?? Is "chopped" working on his well pump or his tractor ??? Lots about the do's and don't of soldering and crimping.. and so on,, but what about "chopped"... What it he up to??? Where did he go ???

 

[Soundguy]

i also like the 44 rosin flux.

I have had plenty of luck using rosin paste fluxes on cleaned galvanized. I have some water troughs that I used tin tabs to repair holes in them.. made great patches... epoxy painted the damaged area after that.. been holding up fine for years now..

other than an old spool of acid core I had for some piping.. I doubt I have anything other than rosin core in a few different flavors for whatever work I'm doing.. some 60/40 for general work, and lead free and silver bearing solders.. antimony.. etc...

the equines already been burried at this point!

soundguy

 

[jlrsn]

Sooo "What ever happened to Chopped".. I asked the question in the begining.. Ac or Dc... ?? Is "chopped" working on his well pump or his tractor ??? Lots about the do's and don't of soldering and crimping.. and so on,, but what about "chopped"... What it he up to??? Where did he go ???

See:
welder comparision?please - TractorByNet.com

 

[eepete]

I think his original question was answered by the 2nd page. But this is a good thread for people searching on general wiring stuff.

The AC/DC solid/stranded "household current rules"/"tractor current rules" are all ways of generally referring to information about the environment in which the wiring job will be done. There are quiet assumptions about these environments and people have slightly different takes on what those assumptions are. I think that's why these simple questions always get complex answers.

Keeping a tractor running means being a jack of all trades. While the next line of the saying is "Master of none" I think lots of people here are a "Master of one". Some maybee even 2 or 3. The challenge then is to condense your specialty knowledge down to a "jack of all trades" rule set.

Soundguy: We can start talkin' solder types, but then we'd have to burry the whole team

Pete

 

[jlrsn]

++++ Oh by the way... I have exercised my new HF hydraulic wire splice crimper (12 through 00 ga including AWG 7) and I am impressed with it.
Pat

Hey Pat,
I normally don't buy tools from HF but being a Tool Junkie that has more tools, especially crimpers, than I'll ever need my HF Hydraulic Wire Splice Crimper, Item 66150-2VGA, is on it's way to me. I can see it used as a small hydraulic press by substituting the dies for whatever I'd need (while working on my TRACTOR :thumbsup:.)

Regarding a AWG 7 Wire I've never seen or worked with any.
Take care,
Jim

 

[captaincrab55]

I was wondering if this would hold true.
If I wanted to have a 10 gauge wire but run two 14 gauge ones on the same terminal. would this amount to a 7 gauge?Ive seen people double up conductors before to gain the lower gauge.
Thanks

IMHO, buy some #10 wire.... As a Jack of many trades and a Master Electrician for 33 years, I value my tractor to much to do such a repair.. Trust me, parallel conductors will work if one follows the NEC book... So when one follows the NEC, 2 #14 wires is not an option...

Crimp splices made with listed tools & crimp sleeves work Great... IMHO shrink tube is a Great product and when used proper, I've never had a problem with my deep well pump 513' in the ground. IMO, crimp sleeves with HST are water-proof..

IMO, Home-made sleeves for splicing should be limited to an emergency / temporary fix.. Heaven forbid that such a splice fails and causes a fire.. One should keep in mind that said sleeves aren't listed and if found to be the cause of a fire, an insurance claim could be turned down....

Forgive me for not using the multi quotes...

 

[tlbuser]

I was out of pocket assuming some people reading this don't know the differences. And also assuming that some will pick flux out of the drawer and try to silver solder with it because flux is flux. And not all flux core solder is non-corrosive.


Sometimes we think we're doing 3 decimal precision when we realize, oops

 

[patrick_g]

IMHO, buy some #10 wire.... As a Jack of many trades and a Master Electrician for 33 years, I value my tractor to much to do such a repair.. Trust me, parallel conductors will work if one follows the NEC book... So when one follows the NEC, 2 #14 wires is not an option...

Crimp splices made with listed tools & crimp sleeves work Great... IMHO shrink tube is a Great product and when used proper, I've never had a problem with my deep well pump 513' in the ground. IMO, crimp sleeves with HST are water-proof..

IMO, Home-made sleeves for splicing should be limited to an emergency / temporary fix.. Heaven forbid that such a splice fails and causes a fire.. One should keep in mind that said sleeves aren't listed and if found to be the cause of a fire, an insurance claim could be turned down....

Forgive me for not using the multi quotes...

Allow me to clarify a loosely worded exposition... I use copper tubing to make my own splices and terminals for use while soldering on automotive type DC circuits, certain solar photo-voltaic systems (not connected to a residence) and other places (ham radio and experimental setups etc) where there will never be a fire underwriter's slightest interest.

I insist on code or better wiring and materials for my residence and attached shops. I hire lisc electricians to assist when in doubt.

...and last but not least... I was once a dues paying member of the IBEW too. Just a couple years as I was doing some work in a shipyard that was strictly a union shop and it was easier to join 'em than fight 'em. The union types (IBEW) never had a clue what to do with the handful of field service types who worked on SONAR, RADAR, SSB radios, and the like they just took the money and gave us membership cards that got us through the closely monitored gate. I did this sort of work for a couple years as a sabbatical from real life. I actually attended a union meeting once just to see what it was like. Not particularly interesting or enlightening.

Pat

 

[Soundguy]

I think his original question was answered by the 2nd page. But this is a good thread for people searching on general wiring stuff.Soundguy: We can start talkin' solder types, but then we'd have to burry the whole team

Pete

Might as well.. have you seen the 2 tire inflation threads? they went non linear after about 5 posts... I'm pretty much just watching them now...

soundguy