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BKBrown, us with heart disease are fighting for our lives. We are past the which meat is better - it all has cholesterol and fat. We want to stop our heart disease and reverse it. We are trying to get past vegetarian, past vegan and get to the only level known to reverse heart disease and that is a no added fats - plant based diet.

We are trying to reduce our cholesterol medications to the lowest level possible and obtain 70 LDL, and our heart medications, with our doctors approval.

When cutting meat from the diet a lot of people take that as a threat on them and their lifestyle. This is not what this thread is about. This thread is about a known cure to heart disease and the guys here who tackle it head-on.

Those without heart disease are the lucky ones that have the genes that don't need a modified diet. All the beef here in Lee County, including the cows I'm looking at outside my window now, are grass fed but they are no longer food for me.
 
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OK - you do what you (and your Dr.) feel is best for you. I did recommended diets for a year (and did not cheat) and my cholesterol level went up. For some genetic reason, my body produces it's own cholesterol even when it isn't in my diet. So ...... I eat the best variety of quality foods that I like and my levels are quite acceptable and steady.
 
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Don, here is a favorite dish of my wife and me....

Soak one pound package of great northern beans overnight...then next day follow package directions and simmer with chopped onions , celery, carrots, garlic, pepper and any other seasonings or veggies you want to add...we sometimes add diced potatoes toward the end or you can add some brown rice or pearl barley...

This is really comfort food....it takes no oil or fats of any kind to make a wonderful meal...also we add some tomato paste to taste for the acidity...

You share some of your recipes too....:licking:

That sounds good. It's really close to our Butter Bean Soup. With Lima beans the only extra we add, besides what you add is bay leaves, cloves, and basil. You are right about it being comfort food.
 
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OK - you do what you (and your Dr.) feel is best for you. I did recommended diets for a year (and did not cheat) and my cholesterol level went up. For some genetic reason, my body produces it's own cholesterol even when it isn't in my diet. So ...... I eat the best variety of quality foods that I like and my levels are quite acceptable and steady.

BK Brown, Sounds like you have found the combination that works best for you.
I am glad for you that is is not as restrictive. My brother also eats anything he wants and his cholesterol is fine. (he got the good gene)

like you I also did recommended diets (American heart Assoc. diet) and still had to take statins, When I eat meats and fats I'm in the 300 TC range without statins.

I'm curious were you ever able to identify what made you cholesterol rise on that "recommended diet"?
 
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Don & TMR,

Thanks for the encouragement & welcome, appreciate it. Working on day 3 and still have my moments, but doing pretty well overall. It's not so hard when you think about another ride to the hospital or getting sawed in half... Actually feel pretty good and think more energy too, but it's kind of hard to tell this early on. Also slept better on night no. 2, no flying chicken sandwiches :D

Mrs. Pa has been extremely supportive, and I was concerned about this. She was a little surprised at first "What, no chicken, no fish??? :shocked:" but has been great about the whole thing. Maybe she still wants me around after all ;)

Not much to share recipe-wise yet, but will be working on some soup/chili dishes as it gets to be winter. Might try Brin's northern bean medley later this week or weekend, sounds pretty good, and we're going to need quickie stuff for during the week. Won't bother sharing the banana muffin recipe we tried last night, kinda turned out like banana bricks instead - think it would have been ok as a loaf, but did not do well in muffin pans.

Have a good one
Greg
 
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" and we're going to need quickie stuff for during the week. "

We prepare things like dried beans etc. on Sunday and package and freeze them for during the week...then just a quick reheat in the microwave and dinner is served...It only takes a few hours on Sat or Sun and you are set for the week with health food that you can get on the table fast...
 
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Bread



The Bread that the Esselstyn's recommend is Ezekiel 4:9 breads and buns. I can see why reading the ingredients label: a variety of sprouted whole grains and no added oils. The cinnamon raisin bread is fat free and the buns have 1.5g of fat per serving from the whole grains.

They are found in the frozen food section in most grocery stores (at least here in Texas).

The sandwich is a hummus, lemon, kale sandwich which taste surprisingly good. the sides are whole grain pasta with raisins and coleslaw all without added oils.
 

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What is your source of proteins?

What is your source of proteins?

Ron, I was emailed the following from the Rip Esselstyn emersion group:

Can I get enough protein eating a plant-based diet?

Not only will you get all the protein you need, for the first time in your life you won't suffer from an excess of it. Ample amounts of protein are thriving in whole, natural plant-based foods. For example, spinach is 51 percent protein; mushrooms, 35 percent; beans, 26 percent; oatmeal, 16 percent; whole wheat pasta, 15 percent; corn, 12 percent; and potatoes, 11 percent.

What's more, our body needs less protein than you may think. According to the World Health Organization (WHO), the average 150-pound male requires only 22.5 grams of protein daily based on a 2,000 calorie a day diet, which means about 4.5 percent of calories should come . (WHO recommends pregnant women get 6 percent of calories from protein.) Other nutritional organizations recommend as little as 2.5 percent of daily calories come from protein while the U.S. Food and Nutrition Boards recommended daily allowance is 6 percent after a built-in safety margin; most Americans however, are taking in 20 percent or more.

Doctors from my father to Dean Ornish to Joel Fuhrman, author of the best selling Eat to Live: The Revolutionary Formula for Fast and Sustained Weight Loss (Little, Brown), all suggest that getting an adequate amount of protein should be the least of your calories. Look around you and tell me the last time you saw someone who was hospitalized for a protein deficiency. Or look around in nature, where you will notice that the largest and strongest animals, such as elephants, gorillas, hippos, and bison, are all plant eaters.

Also, the type of protein you consume is as important as the amount. If you are taking in most of your protein from animal-based foods, you're getting not only too much protein, but also an acid-producing form that wreaks havoc on your system.

Why is protein so potentially harmful? Because your body can store carbohydrates and fats, but not protein. So if the protein content of your diet exceeds the amount you need, not only will your liver and kidneys become overburdened, but you will start leaching calcium from your bones to neutralize the excess animal protein that becomes acidic in the human body.

That's why, in the case of protein, the adage "less is more" definitely applies. The average American consumes well over 100 grams daily-a dangerous amount. But if you eat a plant-strong diet, you'll be getting neither too much nor too little protein, but an amount that's just right.


Are plant proteins complete proteins?


Plant proteins are as complete as complete can be.

The myth that they're not, or are of a lesser quality than animal proteins, dates back to experiments preformed on rats in the early 1900s. Forget the fact that rats aren't humans, have different nutritional requirements, and need more protein than humans to support their furry little bodies. The meat, dairy, and egg industries have marketed the **** out of this ancient research, and even in the year 2009 most every Dick, Tom and Jane thinks the only way to get complete protein is through meat, eggs, or dairy.

In reality, proteins are composed of chains of roughly twenty different amino acids. Of those, eight are found outside our body and must be absorbed from our food. These eight are the "essential" amino acids. The remaining acids are 渡onessential because they can be synthesized by our bodies themselves.

Plants supply all the essential and nonessential amino acids. All of them. While some plants may be low in (not missing) one amino acid and other plants may be higher in another, your brilliant body sorts it all out and, at the end of the day, complements your amino-acid profile so it is perfectly balanced. In so doing, it creates a high-quality protein that is healthier, safer, and better than animal protein.

Thus, there is absolutely no need to combine certain plant proteins at each meal in an attempt to achieve an optimal amino acid balance. Unfortunately, the protein-combination myth continues to be perpetuated by any number of respected organizations. But the American Dietetic Association gets it right. Its position statement reads: "Plant sources of protein alone can provide adequate amounts of the essential and non-essential amino acids, assuming that dietary protein sources from plants are reasonably varied and that caloric intake is sufficient to meet energy needs. Whole grains, legumes, vegetables, seeds, and nuts all contain essential and non-essential amino acids."
 
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Ron, I was emailed the following from the Rip Esselstyn emersion group:
Can I get enough protein eating a plant-based diet?."

Don,
Your attachment from the Rip Esselstyn emersion group and your personal comments provide a much better answer than your statement before of "I don't know."
My question was not meant to chastise you for not eating meat.
All I asked was, "what is your source of protein" with no mention of meat.
Those of us reading this thread appreciate your commitment to changing your
diet after your warning from the Grim Reaper. Anything adopted from your
diet can provide a positive effect on health along with exercise, sleep, and hydration in the proper amounts.
Keep up the good commentary.
Ron
 
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Don,
along with exercise, sleep, and hydration in the proper amounts.
Keep up the good commentary.
Ron

Ron, Studies show the most common time for a heart attack to occur is Monday morning -- that is all Mondays except today. The reason, daylight savings time - everyone gets to sleep an hour longer.
 

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