With great regret, The tractor must be sold.

   / With great regret, The tractor must be sold.
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#11  
Until this recent purchase, I hadn't been in debt to anyone for over 10 years. I had two small car loans for a short period, both of which were paid off well before their terms.

Since this tractor loan is being paid out of a type of 401K plan, I'm not really even in debt now.

Everything else, house/property, the two old cars, all gadgets are paid for in full. My two CCs pay all my bills automatically and are themselves paid off in full every month which means no CC interest. Since I earn bonus points on them, it's like they're paying me to use them.

The 'secret' is to live below your means. As far below as possible/practical. Save as much as you can each month. My goal was to live on less than half of my monthly income. That allowed me to bank enough to live on for several years until certain retirement plans could kick in.

I avoided most pitfalls others fell into. No fancy gadgets as soon as they hit the market. No new cars, ever. All used, once they fell below half of their original price. No high satellite or cable bills when I didn't have the income to cover them. No high cell phone bills; my current 'smarter than me' phones cost me about $10/mo each and I'll be dropping the second in the next month or two.

No extravagant vacations every year. I traveled all I could stand early on and just don't have the interest any more.

No web guy needed to show me any of that.

I’m still learning.

Most of what you pointed out I already do and have done since HS, I moved out at 17 and really had to stretch every dollar. That was also the Great Recession so I was driving a 17mpg truck paying over $4 per gallon of gas, working 25-30 hours a week at my job to just break even on gas, my goal was to hit overtime every week, at least one week a month I hit OT plus going to school.

In such a consumer driven society, I adopted more of a minimalistic outlook.

The main thing I got out of listening to the “web guy” was that in order to achieve my goal of being debt free, I needed to sell the one thing I valued over all other possessions...... the tractor. It will be by far the hardest thing to part with.
 
   / With great regret, The tractor must be sold. #12  
The best advice I got was to learn the difference between wants and needs.
 
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As long as the smaller tractor will do its job for you - its very smart to consolidate and pay off your major debts. We worked hard, scrimped and now in retirement - I'm spending my sons inheritance. He is living his life, his way and it's tough for him. Sooner or later he will learn to scrimp and prepare for retirement.

You will be back and with a much stronger base. Live well & prosper.
 
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The best advice I got was to learn the difference between wants and needs.

This one single statement says it best! You don't need affirmation from us all to know that you are doing the right things BFJ, but please accept my personal congratulations for learning (and putting into practice) a concept that escapes so many these days.

Frank
 
   / With great regret, The tractor must be sold.
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A Dave Ramsey course should be required for all High School students.....and for many others!

I would have liked to have had the knowledge in HS, not sure if I would have listened to it too closely or even understood the feeling of debt. I knew what broke felt like back then, but I didn’t understand the stress and responsibility of debt, so I would have likely forgot the message lol.

I don’t regret the way things happened, I’m not in a pile of debt and have to sell to make payments.

I grew up in the suburbs of Columbus Ohio, the biggest tractor on the street I grew up in was my dads JD 445, I remember feeling proud because he had the biggest lawn mower that went the fastest lol

So I had the opportunity to buy my house at the age of 24, it was a private sale and below market value. I had actually been looking for a house since 22 years old lol, the thought of rent bothered me.

Soon after I bought the house I got chickens, raised them from chicks, built them roosting posts, nesting boxes and was on Backyard Chickens talking about chickens like I have been with tractors . I have way too much chicken knowledge.

About a year after chickens I was scrolling craigslist, came across a listing for a jersey steer, $300. Messaged the guy and found myself at his house with my truck pulling my dads 4x6 trailer with wood sides all around and a rubber horse stall mat I bought on the way to the guys house. On an impulse bought the steer and brought him home.

The house I bought has a barn with 3 attached stalls (1 was the chicken coop), and had a fenced in 1/4 acre pasture attached to the stall area. I let the steer loose in there. I already had a rubber 25g waterer I used for the chicks. It was around June when I bought the steer.

About 2 weeks later came across an add for two more (steer and heifer) $300 each. Long story short they both ended up in my pasture also . The funniest part of the story was I noticed balls on one animal, my heifer was a bull! I complained to the shister about it, he offered to take him back but I said nah, he’s a really healthy bull, might as well keep him for that price.

Another two weeks and they start munching down the grass in that little pasture so I knew I needed to get them more pasture. The interesting part about this part of the story was I had the urge to buy up used chainlink fence before I got cattle, never had a set plan for it but knew I needed to buy up fence and chainlink was cheaper. I had rolls of the stuff stocked up. I laid it all out and I had enough to fence in a bigger pasture, I had to add a “L” to existing fence in the back lot. Easiest way I could find to do it was T-Post and a T-Post pounder, I bought up 8ft T-Post at the local rural king and stung out a guide line and hand pounded a T-post 2ft down, every 8ft in June or July, hot, miserable and tons of work. Learned a lot about chainlink though and how to connect pieces together to make all the fence one piece. It was 470ft of chainlink to the 12ft gate (tartar from rural king) I installed.

The chainlink was stretched with my dads JD 445, I did 20-30ft sections at a time till I was done.

Only after all that work and effort, did I buy the tractor. I had 75 square bales in my loft by the time I converted to round bales lol.

The past 2-3 years have been very influential towards my character. I learned how the world really works, was a land owner which gave me a voice (not that I said much), raised animals I never was near growing up, made a lot of memories. I wouldn’t change how I did things. Just starting a new chapter of being debt free. Will focus a little less on hobbies and work at home, more on relationships (friends, fam, spiritual etc). I have been at my job for 6 years, it’s about time for new challenges with better pay, so 2019 may hold a new job lol.
 
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Until this recent purchase, I hadn't been in debt to anyone for over 10 years. I had two small car loans for a short period, both of which were paid off well before their terms.

Since this tractor loan is being paid out of a type of 401K plan, I'm not really even in debt now.

Everything else, house/property, the two old cars, all gadgets are paid for in full. My two CCs pay all my bills automatically and are themselves paid off in full every month which means no CC interest. Since I earn bonus points on them, it's like they're paying me to use them.

The 'secret' is to live below your means. As far below as possible/practical. Save as much as you can each month. My goal was to live on less than half of my monthly income. That allowed me to bank enough to live on for several years until certain retirement plans could kick in.

I avoided most pitfalls others fell into. No fancy gadgets as soon as they hit the market. No new cars, ever. All used, once they fell below half of their original price. No high satellite or cable bills when I didn't have the income to cover them. No high cell phone bills; my current 'smarter than me' phones cost me about $10/mo each and I'll be dropping the second in the next month or two.

No extravagant vacations every year. I traveled all I could stand early on and just don't have the interest any more.

No web guy needed to show me any of that.

You might tune in to Dave and see what he says about borrowing from your retirement fund.
 
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You might tune in to Dave and see what he says about borrowing from your retirement fund.

No doubt. Of all the comments in this thread, that single line made me shudder.
 
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When I was 25 I had to cut up my credit cards, I was not even paying the minimum payment. I now have no debt and was able to retire at 62.

You are doing the right thing. Debt will strangle you and most people never get their heads above water. You will go through a "new normal" as you adjust to a more frugal lifestyle but it is not that painful.....been there.

BTW, good advice from a previous poster about being on the look out for a good used machine as you never know when something will come up. Best doing that if you have the talent and time to fix things yourself. I joined the site about 6 years ago and gave up buying a tractor...the used ones were beat up and/or overpriced and I could not justify a new tractor. This year got a JD855 with 1100 hrs on it (but in rough shape) with attachments (FEL, mmm, back blade, rake, tiller, brush hog, boom) for $3500 and have put about $2000 into it. Got lucky.

Good luck. You are off to a great start!!!
 
   / With great regret, The tractor must be sold. #20  
You might tune in to Dave and see what he says about borrowing from your retirement fund.

Never borrow from your retirement fund even if you pay it back, you still have lost the earning potential of that money you took out for the payback period.
I started putting 10% of my gross pay into a 401K when I got my first payroll job. By that I mean the first job I got that I had to pay payroll taxes not the cash jobs one gets as a teenager. As my salary grew so did my 401K. By retirement time, all the kids were gone (lots of spare cash when kids are no longer being paid for) so that expense funneled into savings and paying off loans on cars and house. Before I retired, I paid cash for a new house, shop and a new car so nothing was needing but insurance, personal expense like food and clothing and utilities.
When you have no car note, no house note and all new stuff so no big repair bills, you can live on very little income. In the 7 years since I retired, I have lived on my SS check and interest from my 401K so my principal is still about the same. It is really amazing how much an investment portfolio can grow if you just leave it alone.

My wife and I travelled a lot especially in the last 12 years of working so we dont desire to go much farther than seeing the kids and grandkids so no big travel expense. We can afford to do just about anything we want to but we still live pretty frugally, no expensive jewelry, trips of fancy restaurants just plain ole everyday things that we enjoy doing.
 

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