Woods Backhoe on a BX2350?

[crd]

Has anyone here mounted a Woods backhoe on their BX2350?

I'm a first time tractor wannabe-buyer, and while I love the idea of the BX24 I'm not sure I can justify the added expense. The BX2350 seems pretty much like what I need (FEL, mowing and a chipper), but I'd like to know that if I REALLY wanted the backhoe down the road the Woods model would work on the 2350, especially as the kit seems very new.

I'd be grateful for any first-hand experience.

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

it will work, but its not as good as a BX24. Functionaly the low roll bar is a pain and the hoe does not come on and off as easily as Kubota's design. Its a fine alternitive if you want one down the road though.

 

[Scrounger]

I have to disagree with Neil on this one. I can get the Woods on and off as quick if not quicker than the Woods OEM BH. If you look at the design of say the BH6000, the Woods hoe is designed to fit alot of machines that are the same size or bigger than the BX2230 or the BX2350 like yours. I think it offers more overall since it have to be able to handle the load of larger machines also.

The argument of the BX2230 frma enot being as strong as the BX23 was a none issue since the frame kit of the Woods unit is designed to strength the frame to a point equal to or more than the BX23.

If you can't buy a BX24, I woudl not have any issues with recommending a BX2230 or BX2350 that you might add a BH to later.

I'm a firm believer that the aftermarket items are generally of better design than the OEM units. If integration is good, they are bulding a unit that has to fit many machines, thus they have to built a unit that can handle more load and stress than the OEM unit.

I've dug side by side with a BX23, and I just felt the BH6000 was a stronger digger.

 

[Tom_H]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I can get the Woods on and off as quick if not quicker than the Woods OEM BH.)</font>

I'm sure Matt meant to say that he can get the Woods on and off as quick or quicker than the bh on the BX23. The one thing Matt didn't mention is that the addition of the bh sub-frame has restricted the 3ph to a bit less than its original full spread on his BX2230.

As to the ROPS, I have heard several on here who said it was no problem. One guy said he is 6' 4" and has no problems. If it did become an issue for you, there now is an aftermarket replacement foldable ROPS for the BX18xx and 22xx series tractors; not sure if it'll fit a 1500 though.

 

[orangebluegreen]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I'm a firm believer that the aftermarket items are generally of better design than the OEM units. )</font>


Can’t comment on the backhoe, but I’ve been looking at Woods, Bush Hog, and Koyker loaders for the B series machines and would agree as far as those pieces go. I won’t mention any names (let’s just call them “NM”) but I suspect the dealers either make more off OEM parts, or they are afraid of conflicts with things like MMM and/or warranty issues. I mentioned a preference for the aftermarket loaders due to their higher lift and was told they are probably over rated because you cannot tell what machine the measurements were taken from. I called a Bush Hog and a Koyker rep and asked them about their specs. They informed me their specs would likely be 2-3” below what was published in their brochure if using turf tires, but nowhere near being off the 16” difference between factory Kubota (69”) and aftermarket published 85” lift height. Yes sir....all the OEM performance one could ask for, and at suggested retail price....sucha deal. Lol....forgive me, had to jab the salesman a bit.

 

[aesanders]

How could a Woods backhoe that is designed to fit a variety of machines be easier to take off and on than the new bx 24 hoe which is designed exclusevly for the bx 24? Also, there might not be much of an issue with the rops of a bx2350, but I would prefer the wider and taller rops of the bx 24. That is all Neil said. Give him a break. He even said the woods is a fine hoe if you want one down the road. which it is. And he even answered the original posters question.

Also, to take the argument that a backhoe that fits a variety of machines is better than one designed exclusevily for 1 machine is mind boggling. I guess my old cae 580k was not as good as hoe I could have put on the farm tractor. Or the Kubota L39 backhoe does not work as well as one I could put on a Kubota 5030. Geesh.

 

[JoeG]

I read Neil's opinion as an honest view from a dealer who has seen alot of BX's and Woods BH's. I am puzzled by the conjecture about aftermarket qualities.

The BH6000 has almost the same exact specs as the BX24 BH, no matter what machine it is mounted to. Take a look at the photos of the 5'8" member sitting under the ROPS with just a few inches clearance (in the Kubota Operating forum.) I can't see how someone 6'4" could be comfortable. I know that I often stand up on my BH. That clearance would be annoying. Does the BH6000 come with a hadhat? (cheap shot, I take it back.)

How about price? A recent buying post listed a "good" 2350 price with 60" MMM, loader and grill guard at just over 13k. Add 5k for the BH6000 and you have just spent 800-1000 more than a BX24 with MMM.

But, as Neil said, the BH6000 is a great addition to any BX.

Good luck.

 

[Scrounger]

Have another cup of coffee guys. I'm not hammering Neil, I'm just saying that I can put the BH6000 on and off faster than the BX23. I'f I was to buy one from the start, I would probably buy the BX23, but I had the BX2230 and wanted a BH. I do like the Woods FEL more than the OEM, and if I had not planned on a BH at the start and didn't buy a BX23, I would skip the BH and still buy the Woods FEL over the Kubota FEL.

The point of the specs is pretty useless since whatever is published is what the specs are, what the actual capabilites are can be somewhat different. I can say having used both side by side, that the BH6000 will out dig the Kubota BH. That was a BX23 next tot he BX2230 with the BH6000 installed.

THe Woods subframe does have an impact on the 3PH. Not in width, but in full up motion if you are using a full CAT 1 implement without pointing the pins inside.

 

[Tom_H]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( How could a Woods backhoe that is designed to fit a variety of machines be easier to take off and on than the new bx 24 hoe which is designed exclusevly for the bx 24?)</font>

Because the Woods BH6000 bh couples to a sub-frame. With this specific backhoe, each different tractor model receives a specific sub-frame that bolts to the frame of that particular model of tractor. That stays bolted to the tractor with very specific torque specs. The rest of the backhoe is the same, regardless of the type tractor it is on. Matt is saying that the coupling between the bh and the sub-frame works faster than that of the BX23. It's just like saying that you have a factory tow kit on one car and an aftermarket tow kit on the other. Bolting the tow hitch to the car is something you do only one time. It would be entirely possible to have an aftermarket trailer hitch that is faster to couple to a trailer than the factory model. The point of interface is not where the sub-frame connects to the tractor, but where the backhoe connects to the sub-frame.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Also, there might not be much of an issue with the rops of a bx2350, but I would prefer the wider and taller rops of the bx 24. That is all Neil said. Give him a break. He even said the woods is a fine hoe if you want one down the road. which it is. And he even answered the original posters question.)</font>

I stated that an aftermarket foldable ROPS is available. Neither Matt nor I has given Neil a hard time. Both of us have had pleasant dialogues before with Neil. You're reading things into this that are not there.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Also, to take the argument that a backhoe that fits a variety of machines is better than one designed exclusevily for 1 machine is mind boggling.)</font>

I guess that depends upon whose mind it is we are speaking of.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I guess my old cae 580k was not as good as hoe I could have put on the farm tractor. Or the Kubota L39 backhoe does not work as well as one I could put on a Kubota 5030.)</font>

Well the same logic would suggest that the best possible CD player I could put in a Dodge Van is the Mopar model that is available from the dealer. Because a Bose model is not the one provided by the dealer, then it follows that the Bose absolutely must be inferior and the Mopar unit superior???

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Geesh.)</font>

When we don't see each other's faces, hear the tone of voice, notice the body language, it can be a challenge sometimes to discern the mood of the other person from nothing more than printed words. The majority of people here try a little extra hard to make sure their comments come across as polite.

 

[aesanders]

The original posters comments were in regard to the Bx 2350 and bx 24. Not the bx 23 that you were talking about.